Answer: Before George Washington took office as our first President under the Constitution.
Keep in mind that prior to July 4, 1776, any attack against an “American” ship would have been considered an attack against Great Britain, which had a formidable navy.
And during the American Revolution, we had the support of the French navy.
But once the war was over, we were on our own, and did not have a navy. Muslim terrorists recognized this, and attacked U.S. ships.
In 1784, Congress authorized American diplomats John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson to negotiate with the Muslim terrorists. [18] Negotiations proceeded, and in 1786, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson candidly asked the Ambassador from Tripoli the motivation behind their unprovoked attacks against Americans. What was the response?
The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the laws of their Prophet [Mohammed] – that it was written in their Koran that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners; that is was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners; and that every Musselman [Muslim] who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise. [19]
– George Washington, Writings, Vol. 28, p. 521, to Marquis de Lafayette, August 15, 1786.
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UPDATE 10/12/2010:
A forgotten day of infamy: 10-year anniversary of the Cole bombing — and still no justice
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UPDATE 8/19/2014: U.S. Reporter beheaded by ISIS.
Additional links for the original post above:
The Papers of Thomas Jefferson Volume 9: 1 November 1785 to 22 June 1786
Note Table of Contents entry:
American Commissioners to John Jay, 28 March 1786 – page 357
Here is a link from UVA to that very letter:
I Took The Red Pill 
How did President Jefferson deal with that threat? The same way President Bush did, by meeting it head-on. Not the way Obummer wants to, by talking to them.
All the new arrests, captures, etc…that are suddenly popping up are a result of Bush’s anti-terror actions and policies finally coming to fruition. Bush planted the seeds, fed, watered, and tended to the sprouts and when Obama moves in just before harvest and touts, “how do you like the fruit from the trees I’ve grown?” It was the BUSH administration that started gathering intelligence and putting forth the efforts to track down and catch those murderous pigs. Right on cue, Obama and the rest of the sinister-wings take all the credit for it. Of course, we all know by now that the lefties are good at living off the fruit of other peoples’ work.
Maybe we need another Joseph McCarthy. Or maybe we need another European Christian type crusade, or maybe we need a combination McCarthy/ European type Crusade to either wipe out or cripple these Islamo/ communists . Sad to say, but GW killed the only person who knew how to handle the creeps. Bush should have armed and backed Hussein and turned him loose on them. It would all be over except the shouting by now. Instead we have gave the Muslims the keys to the Whitehouse. Around 634AD the Muslims begin to wage war against christians. I think this speaks volumes as to whether or not America was a christian nation founded on christian values seeing as how the Islamics have been attacking US from our very beginning.
History has shown us the path which Islam is on right now and it looks stunningly like the path that Christianity took roughly 500 years ago.
You have a wide-spread religion which became divided after an empire fell. Christianity was spread through and by the Roman Empire while Islam was spread (far more violently) by the Islamic Empire. The collapse of the Roman Empire divided Christianity between the (larger, western) Roman Catholic followers and the Eastern Orthodox followers. The fall of the Islamic Empire divided Islam between the (eastern) Shiite followers and the (larger, western) Sunni followers.
That dividing line almost exactly traces the lines between ethnic tribes within their respective regions. The Catholics were Germanic, Gaul, Anglo and Saxon tribes (plus others) while the Eastern Orthodox were Rus and Slavic ethnicity. The Shiite were Persian while Sunni were Arab, Egyptian, and Balt (plus others).
The larger division of both religions was organized, directed and structured with a religious hierarchy while the smaller was not. The Catholics were lead by the Pope who has cardinals, bishops and priests below him. The Sunnis are lead by the “Custodian of the Two Mosques” who has Imams and clerics below him.
The larger divisions also historically put great effort into spreading their respective faiths. The Catholics took Christianity aboard their caravelles to the new world as they explored, colonized, traded and fought with the tribes indigenous to the Americas. The Sunnis took Islam aboard their Dhows to the far east as they fought, pirated, slave-traded, and traded with South and South East Asia. The smaller sects of each were not organized and structured the same and thus did not spread so aggressively.
The larger faction has also been the more belligerent of both religions, using its influence to get nations to fight for its causes. It was all the way into the 16th century until the Catholics began to lose the very high level of influence they had. Cracks in the Catholic influence over Christianity began to pile up, but the biggest came when Martin Luther wrote his 95 Theses in 1517.
We don’t need a Joseph McCarthy or a European Crusade. What the world needs most, is an Islamic Martin Luther.
A very interesting concept… an Islamic “reformation”…
Rhetorical questions: Who could be “an Islamic Martin Luther”, and how many Muslims would follow his lead?
Aaron: are you sure you would want an “Islamic Martin Luther”?”
Around AD 318-25, after the council of Nicaea, the self appointed Emperor of Rome who had also appointed himself the first Pope of the new official religion of Christianity and church of the Holy Roman Empire issued the decree “Citizens of Rome are no longer to worship as the “filthy Jews”. Emperor Constantine.
At one time in the History of the Holy Roman Empire their headquarters was located in Germany. At one time in the course of history , Adolph Hitler envisioned himself as the Emperor of the world. Mussolini envisioned himself as a modern day Caesar.
AD1942 ” I do insist on the certainty that sooner or later –once we hold power– Christianity will be overcome and the German Church established. Yes the German church, without a Pope and without a bible, and LUTHER, IF HE COULD BE WITH US, WOULD GIVE US HIS BLESSING.” Adolph Hitler.
“If I find a Jew to baptize, I shall lead him to the Elbe bridge, hang a stone around his neck, and push him into the water, baptizing him with the name of Avraham! .. I cannot convert the Jews. Our Lord Christ did not succeed in doing so; but I can close their mouths so that there will be nothing for them to do but to lie upon the ground.” –MARTIN LUTHER
The “Islamic Martin Luther”, may, indeed, be Barack Hussein Obama. Maybe you should rethink the idea of an Islamic Martin Luther. Seems as if the OT God, the Islamics, and Martin Luther had a commonality: if anyone did not agree with them–kill em.
But my fine Jewish friend, as my old irish Grand-dad used to say ” May the wind always be at your back, May the road rise up to meet you, and may you be one hour in heaven before the devil realizes you are dead.”
PS: I enjoy your rants. As if that were not apparent. Rave on, it adds to my spirits–LITERALLY
You have some good points about both Hitler, Mussolini, and Martin Luther. Back in the 16th century, anti-semitism was very high, perhaps as fervent among the Christian populations back then as it is today among the muslim populations. One should keep that particularly important bit of context in mind when talking about that time period, especially when religion is the matter being discussed.
Dictators’ delusions of grandeur aside, Martin Luther’s defiance of the church was a shot heard around the Christian world. Luther was still a very devout Christian during his lifetime and the Christian understanding of Biblical teachings, especially regarding the treatment of other ethnic groups (like Jews) had been corrupted for about 12 centuries, as your point about Emperor Constantine demonstrated. With that in mind, Luther’s vehement anti-semitism was pretty much par for the times. Also, most of the great figures in the world’s history had more than a few skeletons in their closets, why should Luther be an exception? The only exception to that was the Lord, Jesus Christ.
I disagree that Obama could be the islamic Luther, as Obama has not demonstrated much religious devotion beyond just enough to connect with enough voters to win an election, and little else. The reformation that Luther sparked was a culmination of numerous factors that came together at that time and that place. The general populace (average joes) was uncomfortable (and unhappy) with many of the practices of the Catholic clergy at the time, especially the indulgence practice.
Before the reformation, the Catholic Church dominated almost all aspects of life in the Christian world; so much so that the practice of any other religion was illegal. That would be familiar to anyone who has ever traveled to an islamic country. Afterwards, it was just another facet of life, religion still rightfully had a special place in the lives of Christians, but it was not overwhelmingly dominant anymore. Within the islamic world, religion still overwhelmingly dominates the lives of muslims. Anyone who has ever been to a muslim country can tell you as much.
I can tell you personally, that I prefer a land where I am free to practice and worship the Lord however I see fit and join whomever I wish in fellowship. After the Protestant reformation, was over, the Christian world was very close to (and eventually became) that reality. That kind of freedom to worship freely won’t come to the islamic world without a major reformation movement.
As for an overall islamic reformation, Mark Steyn talked about that right at the end of his book, “America Alone”.
“Freedom to—-” just about says it all. You are right. Obama has not demonstrated any loyalty to much of anything, except to making speeches. On the other hand, he did demonstrate a loyalty to an American hating church for at least 20 years. I think maybe that church was just another front for recruiting more American haters and a tool Obama could use to further his political career. It didn’t take too long for him to shuck that church whenever it became apparent it could hinder him politically.
It seems the Islamic religion allows its followers to deny, lie, and/or publicly disavow any affiliation so long as it aids their cause. So I am not at all convinced Obama is not a Muslim. I am not at all convinced he is not a socialist. I am convinced that everything he does seems not to be in the best interest of this nation. I do think he could be a modern day Islamic Martin Luther who opposes white christianity and the modern day State of Israel as per the teachings of the TUCC and Jeremiah Wright.
I haven’t read Mark Steyn’s book. The title “America Alone” sums up my opinion also of America’s standing in todays world. As redpill wrote “once the war (American Revolution) was over we were on our own”. Isn’t that what Mark Steyn is warning us about today with the same enemy that threatened us before we ever had a president. Now that very enemy may be sitting in the oval office. I believe this president is trying to divide America and Israel and essentially isolate Israel from the rest of the world.
and now I am ranting so I will just slide on out of here
I am aware that the edits in the following video leave out additional material. Obama’s supporters will claim that the material which was edited out put Obama’s words “in context”, and explain that he didn’t really give any indication that he himself is a Muslim. But they cannot deny that Obama said what he said here:
Also note that the clip above makes reference to the Koran that Keith Ellison used when he was sworn in. The larger context is that that Koran belonged to Thomas Jefferson. And if you’ve read the link in the original post above, you know that Jefferson owned that Koran so that he could better understand the enemy who was fighting us.
Much the same reason I own a koran, Mr Red.
Skeeter,
I don’t think that TUCC and Rev Wright are a front to recruit America haters. It is clear that Rev Wright hates America, but rather than seeking solely to recruit America haters, I think he uses America as a “boogeyman” in his sermons so he can get loud and make lots of noise from his pulpit and score some points. The effect is almost the same, so it might just be splitting hairs, but the devil is in the details. Where hating America is just run of the mill for Black Liberation Theology pastors (and liberals in general), recruiting America haters is more conspiratorial in nature.
–For Wright, it seems that scoring points is more important than delivering a quality religious service to his congregation. Pity that he still has such a large congregation, but perhaps that explains why I always prefer small churches and/or independent worship over big ones and huge congregations–
I think you hit the nail on the head, though, with the part about Obama using the church as a tool to further his political career. The fact that his political career started in that area, and that TUCC is an established church with a very large congregation are two reasons for him to stick with that church for such a long time. For Obama, it meant easy access to a large and very receptive crowd, many of which would likely donate time and effort to assist him in his furthering his political (and thus career) goals.
You are also correct about islam allowing its followers to deceive and actively hide their faith. My open question to any and all muslims: If your faith and beliefs are strong and true, why would you need to hide it? My open comment to anyone: The fact that islam (and no other religion) allows and encourages its followers to hide their faith when it is convenient or useful, speaks volumes about islam.
Side comment, I am pleased to see that he at least cracked open the door to allow new nuclear powerplants to be constructed, even if it is only slightly open. I also laughed when it angered Keith Olberman to no end.
RP: in the video–Obama says, “I have known Islam on three continents. That experience guides my conviction”. He then goes on to speak of the holy koran. In my understanding the word “conviction” is referring to his conscience and that he is in agreement with the teachings of the Muslim religion, it is what guides him in his private life and certainly would influence his national and international policy decisions. I believe the strength of that admission would be enough to convince any jury if that admission pertained to a crime. If Obama is not a Muslim, then, most certainly, he is a good actor.
Aaron: correct me if I am wrong, but if my memory serves me, didn’t the TUCC have its own printing press where they were reproducing Palestinian propaganda and other literature condemning Israel and her allies (which is mostly American)? Unless TUCC was preaching to the choir I think that reproduced terrorist propaganda literature was being distributed to also attract more adherents to the teachings and other activities of that sorry version of a “church”. I think they are ‘American and Jew haters’, or maybe they just hate everyone in general.
Hamas hates both Israel and her allies and Rev Wright does seem to be in lock-step with them in regards to the Palestinian/Israeli problem(s). Rev Wright did earn a Master’s Degree in the area of Islam religion. That is a pretty serious document to be used only to familiarize one’s self with. That would be like me becoming an astronaut just so I could speak on that subject. Just think, any man and woman who were wed by an officiating Muslim holy person could deny that marriage any time it would be convenient for him/her–LOL! 16? or is it 72? virgins comes to mind. Maybe for a man but, for a lady, well, maybe she could have a ham sandwich. Okay-okay, I’ll just slip out the back door now
Jeremiah Wright said:
Jeremiah Wright co-authored a book praising the Nation of Islam “Million Man March”.
I was not aware of the TUCC printing any such terrorist propaganda before, thank you for the link.
It is not uncommon for any church to print its own weekly newsletter, so to find that TUCC has one just the same is nothing to raise an eyebrow. However, the fact that said newsletter has been used to distribute islamic terrorist propaganda (in a supposedly Christian church to boot!) speaks for the pastor and the church, itself. I thought Wright was just a typical race-mongering BLT pastor more concerned with his massaging his own ego every Sunday morning. Looks like Wright is worse.
RP: Anyone seeing the world through the Rev Wright’s “glasses” would have an Islamic view of the world. In his study of the world’s religions “Dr” Wright earned his Masters Degree majoring in Islam and the Islamic religion. It makes no sense to me for a man to major in one religion while preaching and teaching in another, unless he intends to try and convert one or the other. Who is he trying to convert? Where is the logic in studying for a Masters Degree in the Islamic religion in order to minister to a christian church?
Aaron: I have to think there is a conspiratorial network in operation today, there is too much evidence pointing in that direction to ignore. Not only in the TUCC and Obama’s election but also in Obama’s administration.
As per the nuke plants for energy, you may be right. Only thing is, Obama doesn’t want to leave any more “carbon footprints” through the use of coal or other fossil fuels. Which dissapates in the least amount of time? Carbon footprints or radioactive waste(s), which may have a billion years half-life? They once considered storing the radio active waste in the Carlsbad Caverns in New Mexico. However, after considering the waste might leach out into the Ogallala Aquifer and contaminate all the ground water supply of the High Plains from southwest Texas to near the Canadian border, they voted against that. So what to do? I don’t really know. I do know that every single (1) drilling rig (for oil) requires 13 men (if you count the tool pusher) to operate around the clock, then there are the drilling company office personnel. Every single drilling rig requires numerous, and I do mean numerous, service companies to keep the rig(s) running. Each service company requires numerous workers. The 3500 construction workers and engineers, jobs created to build one nuke plant, would only be a drop in the bucket compared to what the drilling industry would require if they fired up another 100 drilling rigs (which really isn’t a large number of rigs, at one time there were more than 150 rigs running in the West Texas Permian Basin alone).
By the way, “Peak Oil” hasn’t peaked yet, and will not in any of todays infant’s lifetime. Peak Oil is like “Global Warming” it just isn’t happening. Not yet leastwise. You don’t hear of any major oil companies going out of business today because they can’t find any more oil. Years ago the major oil companies put the small independents out of business and today they have a monopoly, controlling prices was their goal. The global warming debacle would put even the majors (American oil companies) out of business (that is why they opted OUT of supporting the “green Cause”. Then OPEC would not just have a cartel, but would in fact curtail all other oil discovery and production with the aid of Hugo Chavez. Today the American producers are content to let OPEC control the oil markets. It keeps the heat off the producers here at home and gives them their 1,000 % profit. Peak Oil is a scam.
I do agree with you, Aaron, I too think the smaller churches and their smaller congregations are better. At least they are more to my likeing. I was once a member of a large church, and like most churches (of) any size, they too had their own printing operations. They put out monthly pamphlets and magazines and weekly news letters. Seems as though there was a permanent heading on those mags. “God loves a cheerful giver” (the church loved out wallets)!!! LOL!! Like the “old Latin” catholic church, the church I was a member of expected its members to accept the church leader’s interpretation of what we read. They finally became so political I had to leave.
They were once Republican leaning and I was a Democrat. Today they endorse Obama but I voted Republican last November. So that tells you people something about me and the church I was a member of–we are both screwed up. So what do I know? I know we are being conned.
so now I will see if someone will give me a ride home and I can save my gas. I too once observed all the OT Holy Days, even though I am Irish– until it finally dawned on me one day, on the Day of Atonement, that Christ had already done this for me.
This is just an example of the jobs that a drilling rig operation can create. This is for offshore only and it is basically the same anywhere in the world.
http://www.caledonianoffshore.com/index.php?page=en_Positions+Available
Land based camp jobs are basically the same. The difference is on land there are no tender boats (ships). The following is a look at rotary rig (oilwell drilling rigs) count, past and present.
http://investor.shareholder.com/bhi/rig_counts/rc_index.cfm
Note: After 1969 drilling rig count and activities begin to decrease and crude (oil) prices begin to increase. This was the beginning of the end for the independent oil producers. When bidding begin for the Prudhoe Bay Alaska oil leases the majors bid so high the independents could not compete. Now it is what it is, and this one industry has all but brought America to its knees and fueled the hatred of the likes of the Bush family and Dick Cheney that was heavily involved in the oil industry — but so is/was? Al Gore.
GOOGLE Search “Armand Hammer + Occidental Petroleum + Al Gore”
Then there are the rigs where the crews drive the company car to and from work every day. Even these local drilling jobs require a massive support system of service companies and personnel.
The point is, if they would “Drill baby drill” it would create an enormous amount of jobs and help reduce our energy dependence at the same time. What is preventing this from happening is GREED and the counterfeit Global Warming because Obama wants his Cap and Trade bill. which goes right back to redistribution of wealth and the major American oil companies telling Obama to stuff his Green Agenda. Everything in America is basically tied to energy. Meanwhile we are stuck with a stagnated economy, a socialist government, and an Islamic people hellbent on enforcing their laws that are based on the perverted ideas of some caravan merchant’s son who later robbed caravans to support his ideology because some old testament scripture called him a bastard.
Aaron and skeeter,
Here is the full Trinity United Church of Christ Bulletin from June 10, 2007
Note pages 8 to 11:
PASTOR’S PAGE
Open Letter to Oprah from Ali Baghdadi
on Her Visit to Palestine
… or a desire to help the enemy.
How many people know that Bill Ayers bombed the pentagon?
How many people know that Bill Ayers gave his two sons Islamic names?
How many people know that Bill Ayers’ office door is decorated with pictures of Mumia Abu-Jamal, Che Guevara and Malcolm X?
How many people know that Bill Ayers said,
and that those words were printed in the NEW YORK Times on the VERY SAME DAY the planes hit the towers – September 11, 2001?
If there was anyone in this country with foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks, I’d say Bill Ayers is the most likely candidate.
Oh, but he’s just “some guy” in Obama’s “neighborhood”.
I lost a friend in the WTC on 9/11/2001. I will never forget, and I will not ignore the verifyable FACTS no matter how ugly a picture they paint.
Aaron,
Much worse. He praises Marxists (see next post) and Islamic radicals.
And he was Obama’s mentor for over 20 years.
Yes, it has been about 1,400 years.
Here’s an interesting perspective on that from a retired member of our military, and current candidate for Congress:
Yes, we must understand the motivations of those who bring unprovoked attacks upon us, and when necessary, fight them militarily in self-defense.
But I want to repeat what I quoted two comments ago:
This is primarily a spiritual battle.
Every time the Democrat[ic Soclialist]s restrict us from accessing our own oil, (whether that be in the Gulf, in oil shale, or in ANWR), we are sending money to Communist and Islamic countries to buy oil that we could have acquired ourselves.
For 40 years, every time we pay at the gas pump, we have been funding the Islamic Revival
Drill Here! Drill Now!
Keith Ellison took the oath of office on a Koran that had belonged to Thomas Jefferson, but of course there was no explanation provided of why Jefferson owned that Koran…
Jefferson owned and read that Koran in order to understand the enemy who was imprisoning, enslaving, and killing U.S. Citizens!
And in the link above, is the following quote:
Dimunation… what an appropriate last name for someone helping to bring Dhimmitude to our Nation.
Re: Recent Muslim Terrorist Attack in Boston:
http://twitchy.com/category/boston-marathon-bombing/
http://michellemalkin.com/?s=chechen
(Multiple past stories)
http://twitchy.com/2013/04/19/ap-surviving-boston-bombing-suspect-idd-as-dzhokhar-a-tsarnaev-19/
UPDATE 8/19/2014: U.S. Reporter beheaded by ISIS.
Additional links for the original post above:
The Papers of Thomas Jefferson Volume 9: 1 November 1785 to 22 June 1786
Note Table of Contents entry:
Here is a link from UVA to that very letter:
More about that collection:
http://rotunda.upress.virginia.edu/founders/FOEA-00-00-02
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And of course, Muslim massacres of Jews is nothing new, either…
1066 Granada massacre