Michelle Obama, Birther

On Tuesday Aug 26, 2008, at the Democratic National Convention, Michelle Obama spoke to LGBT delegates hosted by Rep. Barney Frank, Rep. Tammy Baldwin, the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, and the Human Rights Campaign.

A portion of Michelle’s speech athat was promoted by the Obama campaign. It’s interesting how the Obama campaign didn’t include the part where Michelle said,

When we took our trip to Africa and visited his home country in Kenya, we took a public HIV test.

I guess they don’t want Michelle Obama to be “smeared” as a “Birther”!!!

(By the way, you can tell from both the podium and Michelle’s waredrobe that the two video clips are from the same event.)

Would the wife of a true natural born citizen of the United States of America ever refer to his “home country” as anything other than the USA?!?

Regardless of where on this planet Barack was born, if his father was who he says it was, then Barack was born a British subject, who became a Kenyan citizen.

Barack’s own campaign web site referred to “his Kenyan citizenship“. His wife calls Kenya his “home country“. And the Official Report of the Kenyan National Assembly Wednesday, 5th November, 2008, said:

…the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country

…the people of the United States of America have just had a historic election where the son of this soil, Barrack Hussein Obama, has been elected the 44th President of the United States of America…

we are the home of the President-elect of the USA…

“Son of This Soil”

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59 Responses to Michelle Obama, Birther

  1. Here’s the portion of Michelle’s speech athat was promoted by the Obama campaign:

  2. Here’s what the Obama campaign didn’t promote… “his home country in Kenya”:

  3. And for anyone who doubts the authenticity of the video above, here is another perspective of Michelle Obama saying she and Barack visited “his home country in Kenya”:

  4. BirtherLove says:

    Yeah, you’re still wrong.

  5. Yeah, you’re still wrong.

    I.E., “BirtherLove” admits defeat.

    … and from an IP address assigned to the island country of Seychelles, off the coast of Kenya, no less!!!

  6. BirtherLover says:

    OMG! KENYA!

    You’re wrong because people refer to someone with a certain heritage is often referred to as a son of that country. Kennedy was a son of Ireland. Giuliani is a son of Italy. Obama is a son of Kenya. Guess what? Still president.

  7. Math says:

    I.E., “BirtherLove” admits defeat.

    Defeat? Was the President impeached and we haven’t heard about it? That’s right. Like he said. Still President.

    Nice touch using a Seychelles proxy by the way. He fell for it, bait, hook and sinker. It’s not bad idea actually, given how willing Red Pill is to spill the details of the people he disagrees with, as you can see.

  8. Oh my gosh, Math, I “spill[ed] the details”! Now everyone knows exactly where “BirtherLover” lives!

    Not!

  9. BirtherLover,

    Michelle Obama did not say that Barack is “is a son of Kenya”.

    She said that they visited his “home country” in Kenya.

    Nice try, though.

  10. If the father becomes naturalized before the birth of the child and is at the time of the birth of the child a citizen of the United States, then the child is a ‘natural born’ citizen. But in the case of Mr. Hughes the father was not naturalized at the time the son was born and was at that time a subject of England. How could the son be a “natural born” citizen of the United States?…There can hardly be…any dispute that Mr. Hughes was at the time of his birth an English subject. If he was at that time an English subject, he became a citizen of the United States by a process of naturalization, and is not a “natural born” citizen of the United States.

    It must be admitted that a man born on this soil, of alien parents, enjoys a dual nationality and owes a double allegiance. A child born under these conditions has a right to elect what nationality he will enjoy and to which of the two conflicting claims of governmental allegiance he will pay obedience. Now if, by any possible construction, a person at the instant of birth, and for any period of time thereafter, owes, or may owe, allegiance to any sovereign but the United States, he is not a “natural born” citizen of the United States…The doctrine of dual citizenship and of double allegiance are too well known and too well founded in international law to be doubted or disputed.

    When was that written? 1916.

    Important New Twist In Natural Born Citizen History

  11. Attorney General Eric Holder claims his new “Plan for Open Government” will “increase transparency in government” and he is “committed to creating the most open and transparent Department of Justice in history.”

    You know who really is committed to transparency in government, and is willing to lay his whole career and freedom on the line in the process?

    Lt. Col. Terry Lakin

    Of course, the Obama administration is hinting that Lt. Col Terry Lakin should undergo a brain scan and medical review.

    It appears their reasoning is that anyone who actually expects transparency from this administration must be crazy.

  12. Attorney General Eric Holder, it’s time for “the most open and transparent Department of Justice in history” to initiate a QUO WARRANTO on Barack Hussein Obama II.

  13. BirtherLover says:

    You should visit! It’s the birthplace of Mike Huckabee. We just put up a sign!

  14. Math says:

    Oh my gosh, Math, I “spill[ed] the details”! Now everyone knows exactly where “BirtherLover” lives! Not!

    Of course you say that now that I pointed out that it was probably a proxy. What if it’s not though? You revealed where you thought he lives, where Ryan and I live and you once revealed part of my “will not be published” email (a throwaway thankfully).

    Are you as willing to tell us where you live as you are to tell the world where we do?

    And who cares what she said exactly? It’s obvious what she meant.

    Still President.

  15. BirtherLover says:

    Finally! Rock-solid evidence of your claims! You should get this in front of a judge.

  16. Math,

    Proxy or no proxy, do you really think that anyone could use “Seychelles” and “BirtherLove”/“BirtherLover” to identify the true identity of that commenter?

    No, and you know it.

    I’ve revealed my alma mater and congressional district in posts on this blog. That is more specific than revealing the state or country associated with your IP address.

    “BirtherLover” is not the first commenter to weigh in on the Obama (in)eligibility issue from an IP address outside of the U.S.A. We’ve had commenters from Australia, Canada, and now Seychelles.

    And who cares what she said exactly? It’s obvious what she meant.

    It’s obvious that she meant that Barack Obama’s “home country” is not the U.S.A.

    And it’s obvious that the Founding Fathers explicitly intended that the Commander in Chief of our military should be someone with no ties to any foreign “home country”:

    Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American Army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.

    You say:

    Still President.

    I say:

    only until a Quo Warranto case is heard

    And it’s not a matter of if, only when.

  17. BirtherLover says:

    Yeah, no it isn’t.

    I do love how Leo Donofrio creeps along when he’s trying to do a legitimate court case, shutting down his site, killing comments, trying to hide his birther roots… and then flips out like a crazy birther when the judge shuts him down.

    “JUDICIAL VENTRILOQUISM!!!” Yeah, I suppose anyone who talks out of his butt as often as Donofrio does knows a thing or two about ventriloquism.

  18. Leo’s not a “birther”, and he’s made that very clear. He’s a “dualer”.

    Leo accepts Obama’s birth narrative at face value. “Birthers” question Obama’s birth location. Leo does not question Obama’s birth location.

    Leo accepts Obama’s admission that:

    As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

    Leo is a “dualer”… someone who believes that dual citizenship disqualifies someone from being a “natural born citizen” of the United States of America.

    Leo is right about that, and he is right that the judge in the “JUDICIAL VENTRILOQUISM!!!” case completely misrepresented witness testimony, making it sound like the witness said the exact opposite of what the witness really said.

    I look forward to the appeal and the future Quo Warranto.

  19. BirtherLover says:

    Well, I suppose that’s what being a birther gives you… always something to look forward to. I mean, it’s always failure, which I would think would tarnish the moment, but you folks seem to keep finding ways to fix your eyes on the next idiotic horizon.

    I would imagine being a birther is like every day being Christmas morning, and you rush downstairs, but instead of presents, a horse has taken an enormous poop under your tree. But you play with it, acting as though it was just what you always wanted (because otherwise the LIBRULS win!), and go to bed that night, stained and reeking of horse manure, telling yourself that tomorrow — yes, tomorrow will be different.

  20. Aaron says:

    The sinister-wingers don’t take long to resort to ridicule (and using references to manure, no less!). They never have. I guess it’s because they’ve nothing better to do since the people who buy into left-wing politics are typically societal leeches looking for another government hand-out. It’s not like they have the desire to work and EARN their living, so without a job, it leaves more time for them come to various fora and spew immature nonsense lined with references to horse waste.

    Whether right or wrong, I still don’t think the citizenship challenge will ever amount to more than a show-trial, at best. The left has plenty of practice at holding Kangaroo Courts, just look at Spain’s show-trial of Bush.

  21. BirtherLover says:

    Five of the top ten states (Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Tennessee and Alaska) that take the most federal dollars are among the reddest in the country, so I’m afraid your argument is full of… well. You know.

  22. Member of Kenyan parliament, Birther.

    The other thing that we are addressing through devolution is exclusion. What has made us suffer as a nation is exclusion. Once people feel excluded, even when you want to employ a policeman or constable or you want to build a dispensary, it must come from the centre. In the colonial days, these things were being done on the ground and they could give bursaries and build roads. I commend devolution. Those who fear devolution are living in the past. They are being guided by their ethnic consideration and objectives. They are living in the past. If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of America? It is because they did away with exclusion. What has killed us here is exclusion; that once Mr. Orengo is President, I know of no other place than Ugenya. That is why we were fighting against these many Presidencies in the past. I hope that Kenya
    will come of age. This country must come of age. People want freedom and nations want liberation, but countries want independence.

    Note well how no subsequent speaker questioned or contradicted the assertion that Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

    If the Kenyan Parliament scrubs that PDF, it is archived here.

  23. Aaron says:

    Notice how he didn’t put up the other five? He doesn’t want the others up there because they’d undermine his point. Especially considering that in Money received vs taxes paid, the #1 State on the list is New Mexico (solid blue), further, the #1 location is Washington DC (also solid blue). Nice try, though. Telling half-truths like that is a typical left-winger tactic.

    The fact that you went straight for that half-truth statistic says alot about you. The fact that you left out WHAT that money was spent on is also telling. I guess it would undermine your narrative to expose the fact that military spending IS COUNTED as part of that federal dollars vs taxes paid statistic you cited. Alaska’s population is 5.6% active military personnel, near twice what any other state is. So yes, Alaska would “see” more federal dollars than taxes it paid since the fed is maintaining a disproportinately high number of troops there.

    The fallacy in your states claim is “fed dollars spent within a state’s borders = fed funds received by that state.” If a city runs $7000 worth of communication cable and pipeline under someone’s lawn, is that $7000 he received from the city?

    So, in reality, I’m afraid YOUR argument is full of…your favorite substance.

  24. Frin says:

    I love it Mr Pill – you are such a patriot!

    You choose to believe 1 Kenyan politician, rather than all the American Congressman, House Reps and public servants that say that your premise is full of bollocks!

  25. Aaron says:

    Another leftie playing yet another cheap debate trick. You see, what Frin just did was an isolation attempt; taking the one item posted in this thread and pitting it against the whole collection of their own side. Frin deliberately ignored the mountain of evidence that this one piece is a part of. Typical liberalism at work again.

    Someone else tried that not too long ago when another sinister-winger did the same thing after Joe Brown’s victory in the MA special election. Something along the lines of “One guy can block the will of…” while conveniently forgetting the rest of the team that ALSO stood bravely against the overwhelming might of National Socialist (democrat) machine as it forced upon the population, its own will.

    Hey Frin, you’d do better just blaming Bush again.

  26. Math says:

    National Socialist (democrat) machine

    A reductio ad Hitlerum. While whining about us using ad hominems no less. Nice one Aaron.

    Frin deliberately ignored the mountain of evidence that this one piece is a part of. Typical liberalism at work again.

    Mountain of evidence? Quickly, bring this before a judge!

    Oh wait you guys tried that already didn’t you? How did that work out for Orly?

  27. Aaron,
    Thank you for your comments. I really appreciate your contributions.

  28. Frin

    I love it Mr Pill – you are such a patriot!

    Even though you said that in jest, I’ll still say, “Thank you. ”

    You choose to believe 1 Kenyan politician, rather than all the American Congressman, House Reps and public servants that say that your premise is full of bollocks!

    Ha! Why did all the other members of the Kenyan Parliament allow the statement of this “1 Kenyan politician” to stand? Why didn’t a single one of them tell him, right then and there, that his premise was “full of bollocks”?!

    The answer is because in Kenya it is “common knowledge” that Barack Hussein Obama II was born in Kenya. The Kenyan ambassador to the U.S. admitted that long ago. Sure, after the fact the excuse was made that he was talking about the President’s father, not the President, but it was clear in the original interview that he was being asked about putting a plaque at the President’s birthplace, not at the President’s father’s birthplace.

    You choose to believe 1 Kenyan politician, rather than all the American Congressman, House Reps and public servants that say that your premise is full of bollocks!

    Of all of the members of the U.S. Congress who voted in favor of the resolution recognizing Hawaii’s 50th birthday (the resolution that claimed “Obama was born in Hawaii”), not a single one of them has seen a birth certificate for Obama showing the hospital and delivering Doctor’s signature.

    And Dr. Fukino in Hawaii was not willing to say “Obama was born in Hawaii” until after the U.S. House of Representatives said so first!

    Obama is ineligible regardless of where he was born. Some people still doubt that truth, but no one doubts that if he was born in Kenya, then he is both ineligible and guilty of fraud. Obama may one day produce an original, initial birth certificate showing the hospital and delivering Doctor’s signature. Until that time, no one should be asked to believe a COLB that was produced at and by the Obama campaign headquarters in Chicago.

    It’s long past time for members of the U.S. Congress to demand that they be sent, under seal directly from the state of Hawaii, Obama’s original, initial birth certficate showing the hospital and delivering Doctor’s signature.

    It’s long past time for members of the U.S. Congress to demand a Quo Warranto decision on the issue of Obama’s ineligibility.

  29. Aaron says:

    Hey Math,

    When did I say anything anything about Hitler here? The democrats are a NATIONAL party who run on a SOCIALIST platform, that makes them National Socialists. For your cheap attempt to slip in the Hitler card and act as though I played it, I hereby invoke Godwin’s Law on you. Better luck in the next thread, Math.

  30. Math says:

    When did I say anything anything about Hitler here? The democrats are a NATIONAL party who run on a SOCIALIST platform, that makes them National Socialists.

    Surely you are not so dumb that you don’t know that National Socialist = Nazi? If you are, I’m glad to have taught you something today.

    Godwin’s law also applies to Nazi references, not just Hitler.

  31. Frin says:

    Aaron,

    You said: “Frin deliberately ignored the mountain of evidence that this one piece is a part of”…

    Unfortunately for you – nothing you have even remotely qualifies as evidence. Your side relies on hearsay, attestations from proven frauds and liars, allegations of coverups lasting 50 odd years, and ignorance of prima facie evidence that directly contradicts your claims. Remind me again how well all those birther court cases are going?

    Mr Pill, the fact that not a single Kenyan corrected him doesn’t mean a single thing. i didn’t hear anybody from Congress correcting Fukino’s statement – by your logic that means it must be correct! I

    Again – you would rather believe 1 Kenyan than the US Congress. Quite the patriot…

  32. Frin,
    For the record, are you a U.S. citizen?

  33. Math,
    I can’t speak for Aaron, but I knew that the Nazis were National Socialists. The left has thrown Nazi projections upon the right for years (Bushitler), but the comparison is much more appropriate to the far left… people like an Obama “family friend” who advocated the extermination of 25 million people.

  34. Math says:

    Ah, the good old guilt by association and “they did it so we can do it” fallacies.

    You do realize that Nazism is a far right ideology, right?

  35. Wrong.

    As you already acknowledged previously, Nazism was National Socialism.

    Socialism and Communism have always been a far left ideology.

    But pretending it was “a far right ideology” is part of “the big lie”.

  36. Math says:

    For a guy who’s used to nit picking what someone says or writes to the second, third or fourth degree, it’s surprising that you would assume they’re far left just because it says socialism in their name.

    I guess People’s Republic of China is a republic led by its people then? And Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is a thriving democracy?

  37. People’s Republic of China … Democratic People’s Republic of Korea

    The Big Lie. These “People’s Republics” are nothing of the sort. One is an oligarchy, the other a dictatorship.

    Why the Big Lie?

    You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

    John 8:44

  38. Math says:

    The Big Lie. These “People’s Republics” are nothing of the sort. One is an oligarchy, the other a dictatorship.

    Of course they are. It just goes to show you that just because it says something in the name, it doesn’t mean it’s true.

  39. You do realize that Nazism is a far right ideology, right?

    Just because you say so doesn’t make it true. Would you call Communism a far right ideology?

    CONSTITUTION OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:

    Our party fights for jobs and economic security, a decent and rising standard of living, peace, justice, equality, a sustainable environment, gay rights, health care, education, affordable housing, the needs of seniors, democracy, and a fulfilling life for everyone, with socialism as our goal. Only through the abolition of the capitalist system and the socialist reorganization of society can exploitation of human beings by others, and the evils of oppression, war, racism, environmental degradation, and poverty be ended. We seek to build a socialist society which puts people and nature before profits.

    With Marxism-Leninism guiding our actions, the Communist Party strives to build the broadest unity against global capitalist imperialism now headed by U.S. imperialism, for immediate gains and reforms that benefit working people, and for a progressive democratization of the government, the economy, and society of our country on the road to and after winning socialism.

    And their party program:

    The Road to Socialism USA

    So, Math, how exactly is it that you claim the National Socialists were “a far right ideology”?

    How do you define “a far right ideology”?

    You know what I define as “a far right ideology”?

    This:

    When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. –Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

    Ask yourself, is it the far left or the far right that are known for “clinging to their Bibles”?

    Ask yourself, is it the far left or the far right that are known for the “right to life” movement?

    Our founders were “far right” by today’s standards. They were overwhelmingly fundamentalist Christians.

    Fundamentalist Christians tend to strongly support Jews, not murder them.

    Yes, Math, calling Nazism “a far right ideology” is a BIG LIE.

    You hope that repeating the BIG LIE often enough will make people believe it, but sorry, you’re wrong.

  40. On March 27, 2010, thousands of people gathered in the small town of Searchlight, Nevada, for a political rally.

    Just 250 miles away and seven days earlier, there was another political rally of similar size in Los Angeles on March 20, 2010.

    The Searchlight rally was generally oriented toward the political “right.”

    The Los Angeles rally was generally oriented toward the political “left.”

    Now, if you had only the entrenched media as your sole source of information about these rallies, you might likely assume (without even bothering to investigate) that the right-wing rally was an epicenter of hate, racism and craziness, whereas the left-wing rally was undoubtedly about peace, tolerance and rationalism.

    Luckily, we no longer have to rely on the mainstream media. In both cases, citizen journalist bloggers were on hand to document the proceedings with eye-opening photo essays

  41. Aaron says:

    Math,

    It doesn’t change the fact that YOU played the card and tried to plant it on me. Typical left-wing move.

    In addition, Naziism was a left-wing ideology; that you believe otherwise indicates your level of understanding of history. Do you also believe that the US Civil War was about slavery?

  42. Math says:

    It doesn’t change the fact that YOU played the card and tried to plant it on me. Typical left-wing move.

    Invoking Godwin’s law on me because I mentioned Hitler while invoking it on you is a bit childish don’t you think? You’re the one who played the National Socialist card, not me.

    In addition, Naziism was a left-wing ideology; that you believe otherwise indicates your level of understanding of history

    I’ll grant you that much. When you’re done writing your book of revised history let me know, I’ll read it and we’ll be able to discuss this on common grounds. Until then, if it makes you feel better about being on the right, more power to you.

  43. Aaron says:

    I didn’t play the Nazi card. My use of the words “National” and “Socialist” is very clear and already covered. You are the one who tried to spin it into the Nazi card. Sorry pal, not today.

    Revising history?
    “We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” -Adolf Hitler, 1927.

    Yeah Math, that’s far right there, isn’t it?

    How far right were the Nazis when they introduced total gun control in 1938?

    How far right were the Nazis when they implemented the National Labor Law of 1934?

    How far right were the Nazis when they legalized abortion on demand in 1933?

    Perhaps there was some far rightism in the Nazi stance on labor unions?
    “As things stand today, the trade unions in my opinion cannot be dispensed with. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions of the nation’s economic life. Their significance lies not only in the social and political field, but even more in the general field of national politics. A people whose broad masses, through a sound trade-union movement, obtain the satisfaction of their living requirements and at the same time an education, will be tremendously strengthened in its power of resistance in the struggle for existence”. -Mein Kampf, Ch.12

    What were you saying about revising history, Math?

  44. Math says:

    LOS ANGELES (AFP) – About 100 members of a self-described neo-Nazi group protested against immigrants to the United States on Saturday, sparking a counter-rally that drew about 500 people.

    Anti-immigration… Where have I heard that before?

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