Getting the Truth Out

RJJohnson said:
August 11, 2009 at 9:31 pm

I second previous posters’ recommendations of the article on birthers.org titled “The Logical Analysis of a Natural Born Citizen.” It made the issue very clear to me.

From the article “Jay recommended and the framers agreed that this person must have a natural allegiance that is total and absolute to the Nation and to no other nation or potentate.”

Both jus soli and jus sanguinis are necessary for “total” allegiance. Being born on foreign soil, or having one parent who is not a citizen introduces a divided loyalty.

The article is clear and concise. It lists just the important legal text, court cases, and quotes with no extra material to confuse the issue.

http://birthers.org/misc/logic.htm

[Leo Donofrio replied: Yeah, it’s a good source for getting the picture right. Kamira is upset that the site doesn’t give credit to all the work others have done summarizing what’s at that site. I personally do not care that I am not mentioned. I am used to it by now. As long as people are speaking truth to power, I don’t care who gets the credit. If justice can be served and I could go back to being an anonymous blogger, I would certainly be fine with that. But it can be rather annoying when you’ve worked as hard as Kamira and I have done only to see that research taken and reprinted with no hat tip or link to this blog or some of the others… but like I said, I’m just happy people are getting the truth out.]

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18 Responses to Getting the Truth Out

  1. Harry H says:

    At first I didn’t appreciate the beauty of the graphics at birthers.org, but by the end of the article I saw the usefulness of the almost-merged two circles of soil (birthplace) and blood (citizen parents).

    If I were preparing a presentation on this subject (which I’m not), I would cut two large circles out of poster-board and wave them like a magic wand of truth before my listeners. Maybe truth would then flow down like a mighty river–or at least baptize a head or two.

    Keep plugging, redpill. You are doing good.

  2. Why Aren’t Americans Allowed To Know What Foreign Passports Were Issued To President Obama?

    It’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s just a question – what passports has our President held? Who could argue that this question is not important to America? Those who do argue that “You shouldn’t ask this question” will reveal themselves by their answers.

  3. Follow-up info to my earlier comments (1, 2) on the “Obama Was A Natural Born Subject: the Founders’ Greatest Fear As To Commander In Chief” post…

    Letters of verification may be issued in lieu of certified copies (HRS §338-14.3). This document verifies the existence of a birth/death/marriage/divorce certificate on file with the Department of Health and any other information that the applicant provides to be verified relating to the vital event…

    OK,

    [§338-14.3] Verification in lieu of a certified copy. (a) Subject to the requirements of section 338-18, the department of health, upon request, shall furnish to any applicant, in lieu of the issuance of a certified copy, a verification of the existence of a certificate and any other information that the applicant provides to be verified relating to the vital event that pertains to the certificate…

    The only part of section 338-18 that is relevant to a Letter of Verification is part (g). Pay no attention to parts (a) through (f).

    [§338-18] Disclosure of records…

    (g) The department shall not issue a verification in lieu of a certified copy of any such record, or any part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant requesting a verification is:

    Now, there are five different methods of satisfying the Hawaii Department of Health that you, the applicant requesting a verification, should be issued a verification:

    (1) A person who has a direct and tangible interest in the record but requests a verification in lieu of a certified copy;

    (2) A governmental agency or organization who for a legitimate government purpose maintains and needs to update official lists of persons in the ordinary course of the agency’s or organization’s activities;

    (3) A governmental, private, social, or educational agency or organization who seeks confirmation of a certified copy of any such record submitted in support of or information provided about a vital event relating to any such record and contained in an official application made in the ordinary course of the agency’s or organization’s activities by an individual seeking employment with, entrance to, or the services or products of the agency or organization;

    (4) A private or government attorney who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record which was acquired during the course of or for purposes of legal proceedings; or

    (5) An individual employed, endorsed, or sponsored by a governmental, private, social, or educational agency or organization who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record in preparation of reports or publications by the agency or organization for research or educational purposes.

    Note that “tangible interest” is only one of the five methods!

    The Hawaii Department of Health can’t turn you down for a Letter of Verification if you meet one of the other four methods. I would think that any citizen, but certainly any member of Congress, could qualify for method #3.

    Method #5 also seems reasonable for anyone who is employed, endorsed, or sponsored by a private, social, or educational agency or organization who seeks to confirm information about Obama’s COLB in preparation of reports or publications by the agency or organization for research or educational purposes.

  4. I remind everyone that at this point in time, we have absolutely no confirmation or evidence from the State of Hawaii that the COLB, produced by and at the Obama Campaign Headquarters in Chicago, is authentic.

    To quote Gopherit, an “Anti-birther” who came here with no thoughts of his own, but only an Alinsky-style YouTube video mocking “birthers”,

    The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence.

    -Thomas H. Huxley

    Obama has shown himself, over and over again, to be a dishonest person. We should not blindly trust a COLB produced by his campaign. Where is the verification from the State of Hawaii that the COLB is authentic?

    “Gopherit”, by your own citation of Huxley’s quote, you are commiting “the deepest sin against the human mind” by “believing without evidence” that Obama’s COLB is authentic and not a forgery.

  5. Ryan says:

    So now you don’t even think there is any evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii? What about the fact that the state of Hawaii has officially acknowledged that he was, in fact born there?

    I understand you don’t believe them, but that isn’t evidence to you?

    I maintain my position that you are a figment in the imagination of a brilliant performance artist.

  6. We have absolutely no confirmation or evidence from the State of Hawaii that the COLB, produced by and at the Obama Campaign Headquarters in Chicago, is authentic.

    We have two very carefully parsed statements by Dr. Fukino which have never verified that the COLB is authentic, and have done more to obfuscate the isseue than to clarify it.

  7. All employees, citizens, and noncitizens hired after November 6, 1986, and working in the United States must complete Form I-9.

    There are no exceptions to this law. Obama is not exempt from this law. Obama was required to complete Form I-9 each time he started a new job after November 6, 1986.

    Let’s see the documents that Obama submitted when he started his jobs as Illinois Senator, U.S. Senator, and President of the United States.

  8. I am an equal opportunity dispenser of truth.

    Senate Resolution 511, resolved that

    John Sidney McCain, III, is a “natural born Citizen” under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

    Not only does Senate Resolution 511 not have any force of law,
    it is demonstrably false and deceptive.

    It states, in part,

    John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American Naval base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936.

    That is not true. People who believe that believe McCain was born at the Navy hospital at Coco Solo Naval Air Station. But that hospital was constructed in 1941, several years after McCain’s birth!

    The truth is that McCain’s own birth certificate, which he released, shows that he was born at Colon Hospital, in the nearby city of Colon, Panama. The city of Colon was not part of the American Naval base and was not U.S. soil.

  9. I voted for Bush/Cheney twice, but that does not stop me from admitting:

    Dick Cheney, as Vice-President of the U.S. and President of the Senate, broke the law.

    He did not follow the specific instructions of the US Code of Federal Regulations Title 3, Chapter 1, Section 15:

    the President of the Senate shall call for objections

    Cheney did not call for objections.

    So, are all of the people who hate Cheney going to prosecute him for breaking this law?

    I hope they do.

    Because doing so would shed light on the fact that the law was broken and the Congressional “certification” of Obama’s and Biden’s Electoral College votes was illegitimate.

    On a different, but related, note:

    The joint session of Congress inspected Certificates, sent to them under seal, from the Secretary of State of each of the 50 states. These were Certificates of the Electoral College vote.

    But that joint session of Congress did not inspect any Certificates to prove that Obama and Biden are natural born citizens, born on U.S. soil to parents who were U.S. citizens. Members of Congress did not honor their sworn oath to support and defend the Constitution which includes the following passage from the 20th amendment:

    …if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

    So let’s recap the certification of the Electoral College vote:

    1) Neither of the candidates who received Electoral College votes for President were Constitutionally eligible.

    2) Congress did nothing to qualify the President-elect and Vice-President-elect.

    3) Dick Cheney, as Vice-President of the U.S. and President of the Senate, broke the law and did not call for objections.

  10. – Whether Obama was not born in Hawaii is a conspiracy theory which would include the acquiescence of a long cast of characters.

    Whether a person who was a citizen of a foreign nation – at the time of his birth – can be President and Commander In Chief of the US armed forces is a legal question, not a conspiracy theory.

  11. Gopherit,

    It’s interesting how the “Anti-birthers” always focus on Taitz and Berg, and never mention Leo Donofrio. To quote Leo,

    – Whether Obama was not born in Hawaii is a conspiracy theory which would include the acquiescence of a long cast of characters.

    – Whether a person who was a citizen of a foreign nation – at the time of his birth – can be President and Commander In Chief of the US armed forces is a legal question, not a conspiracy theory.

  12. On 2010/06/16 at 10:44 pm, in a comment on a different thread, I said:

    Do you understand the concept of sovereignty? Do you understand that in 18th century England, the King (or Queen) was sovereign, and the people were subjects? Do you understand that in the United States, We the People are sovereign citizens, and the government is subject to the citizens?

    I have said this many, many times before, but you refuse to listen. You cannot equate subjects and citizens. They are two very different things. And you cannot equate “natural born subject” with “natural born citizen”.

    And now this is in the news…

    Many words were crossed out and replaced in the draft, but only one was obliterated.

    Over the smudge, Jefferson then wrote the word “citizens.”

    No longer subjects to the crown, the colonists became something different: a people whose allegiance was to one another, not to a faraway monarch. [Ed: The people were no longer subjects, they were now sovereign citizens.]

    Scholars of the revolution have long speculated about the “citizens” smear — wondering whether the erased word was “patriots” or “residents” — but now the Library of Congress has determined that the change was far more dramatic.

    Using a modified version of the kind of spectral imaging technology developed for the military and for monitoring agriculture, research scientists teased apart the mystery and reconstructed the word that Jefferson banished in 1776.

    “Seldom can we re-create a moment in history in such a dramatic and living way,” Library of Congress preservation director Dianne van der Reyden said at Friday’s announcement of the discovery.

    It’s almost like we can see him write ‘subjects’ and then quickly decide that’s not what he wanted to say at all, that he didn’t even want a record of it,” she said. “Really, it sends chills down the spine.”

    I have said this many, many times before, and I’ll say it again:
    You cannot equate “subjects” and “citizens”. They are two very different things.

    And you cannot equate “natural born subject” with “natural born citizen”. They are two very different things.

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