Separation of Church and State

You won’t find the words “separation”, “church”, or “state” in the 1st Amendment to our United States Constitution.

But you will find them in Article 124 of the 1936 Constitution of the U.S.S.R. (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics):

the church in the U.S.S.R. is separated from the state

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17 Responses to Separation of Church and State

  1. Math says:

    Government run by religion seems to be doing just fine for Iranians isn’t it?

  2. I never said I want “Government run by religion”.

    I just want a government that does not unconstitutionally prohibit the free exercise of religion in the public square. There is nothing unconstitutional about having the 10 commandments posted in a government building. But it is unconstitutional to prohibit the 10 commandments from being posted in a government building.

    See “Establishment” Vs. “Endorsement”

  3. Math says:

    If you want to allow the 10 commandments in a government building, you have to allow pages or verses from the Koran (or whatever other Islamic symbol) to be displayed as well. Would you be comfortable with that?

  4. Math,

    I’m comfortable with the Supreme Court building as it currently stands. Mohammed is up there, along with Moses and the 10 Commandments.

    I don’t think Koran verses would be very popular, given the small percentage of Muslims in this country and the jihadist nature of many Koran verses, but I would not consider the presentation of them in a government building to be “establishment” of the Muslim religion.

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  6. Math says:

    Red: Well free speech is not always popular. I commend you for your tolerance. Some of your buddies are not as understanding as you are though. This is the kind of raving lunatics they have to deal with: http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/23/of-donuts-and-dumb-celebrities/

    So if they display Catholic relics, they expose themselves to get sued by Muslims, Jews and any other religion to get the right to display their own relics. If they choose to display such relics, they expose themselves to get sued by the raving lunatics I mentioned earlier. The only way they can be totally safe is to refuse all religious relics. That way they can’t be sued by anybody (you can’t sue them to display your relic, the first amendment protects their right to NOT display them).

  7. Math,

    The link you provided didn’t have anything to do with government or lawsuits. It had to do with a private corporation and the free market choice of whether or not to support that corporation.

  8. Math says:

    It has everything to do with our discussion. It shows the mentality of the people involved. If they get their panties in a bunch over a scarf, what will they say about Koran verses on a wall? You know as well as I do that they would call it terrorist propaganda and sue to get it removed.

    I still say not displaying anything is the only thing they can do.

  9. Price says:

    While this post is old, I do want to make a comment with regards to the 10 Commandments in government buildings, particularly as a non-historical addition to a Court of the United States.

    Upon entering a court, you are to be judged within the framework of the U.S. law. Having a ’10 Commandments’ monument erected within court chambers promotes the environment in which the person to be judged is subjected to idea that he is being judged within the framework of God’s law; God’s law is not U.S. law and thus it ought not to be exhibited in the modern court. Exceptions are made with historical buildings, such as the Capitol, in which the sculpture is the work of an influential artist.

  10. While just government protects all in their religious rights, true religion affords to government its surest support.

    God, Moses, Crosses and the Bible in Our Capitol Building

  11. When it comes to the Founders and the Constitution, David Barton knows orders of magnitude more than Jon Stewart.

    Jon Stewart threw every straw man (that his staff gave him on note cards) that he could at David Barton, and Barton knocked every single one of those straw men down. Barton has spent decades studying thousands of primary source documents. Stewart has spent minutes, possibly hours, studying the note cards his staff gave him. It was no contest. Every time Stewart threw a false accusation at Barton, Barton countered with the truth. And every time, Stewart would interrupt Barton’s answer. Stewart could only crack a joke or change the subject; he couldn’t have a straight-up discussion of the truth.

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-4-2011/david-barton-pt–1

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-4-2011/david-barton-pt–2

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-4-2011/exclusive—david-barton-extended-interview-pt–1

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-4-2011/exclusive—david-barton-extended-interview-pt–2

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-4-2011/exclusive—david-barton-extended-interview-pt–3

    I would love to see a similar discussion between David Barton and “Constitutional Law” lecturer Barack Obama.

    When it comes to the Founders and the Constitution, David Barton knows orders of magnitude more than Barack Obama.

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