Is your answer, “The Hawaii State Department of Health”?
Sorry, that answer is not a winner.
The Director of Health for the State of Hawaii has so far issued two News Releases. As I blogged about previously, Dr. Fukino’s October 31, 2008 News Release did NOT say any of the following:
1) Obama was born in Hawaii.
2) The CertificatIONof Live Birth (presented on Daily KOS, Fight the Smears, and Factcheck.org) is valid.
3) The CertificatION of Live Birth matches the data found on the original Birth CertificatE on record.
4) “We the People” do not have a tangible interest in the original birth certificate of a candidate for the office of President of the United States, in order to help determine if s/he is Constitutionally eligible to hold that office.
Now, Dr. Fukino’s July 27, 2009 News Release did say, “Obama was born in Hawai‘i”.
Some people point to that and say, “See! The State of Hawaii has confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii!”
But, just like last time, we must parse this statement.
(Remember, “It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.”)
The full statement made on July 27, 2009 was:
STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital
records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama
was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement
or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
Dr. Fukino did not say which vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health were used to make this statement.
Was the Hawaii State Department of Health the first government organization to say, “Obama was born in Hawaii”?
No!
Dr. Fukino’s July 27, 2009 News Release was first made public in an an email to TerriK (a.k.a. MissTickly) at 11:45:54 PM EDT:
From: “Okubo, Janice S.”
Date: July 27, 2009 11:45:54 PM EDT
To: [TerriK - real name redacted]
So, which Government organization was the first to say, “Obama was born in Hawaii”?
The correct answer is: The United States House of Representatives.
Nearly five hours before Janice Okubo first made Dr. Fukino’s News Release public in that email, the U.S. House of Representatives agreed to H. RES. 593, which included the words, “Obama, was born in Hawaii”. More completely, it said:
Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961;
Did the Hawai‘i State Department of Health obtain any information about H. RES. 593 and maintain it as a “vital record”? Did that become the basis for Dr. Fukino’s statement?
Dr. Fukino never said which “vital records” were the basis for claiming “Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i”.
The U.S. Constitution requires that the President be a “natural born Citizen” of the United States of America.
Dr. Fukino never said, “Barack Hussein Obama … is a natural born citizen of the United States”.
Dr. Fukino said “Barack Hussein Obama … is a natural-born American citizen”.
But Dr. Fukino never explained how she made that determination.
Dr. Fukino’s use of “natural-born” could simply refer to “natural childbirth”. The hyphen is significant… the legal definition of “natural-born” is NOT the same as the legal definition of “natural born”. (Remember, “It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.”)
Every citizen of every country in North America, Central America, and South America, can consider themselves an “American citizen”. I know personally several citizens of Mexico who consider themselves an “American citizen”.
I’ve also seen other reports that Barack Hussein Obama was adopted, as an adult, by a Native American couple. That would make him a Native American citizen, even if he had originally been born in Kenya!
So, once again, Dr. Fukino issued a statement which gives the appearance of authenticating that COLB as a genuine record originally generated by the DoH. But when you parse the statement, you find that it does not in fact authenticate the COLB or the data contained on it.
Thankfully, Leo Donofrio has submitted another UIPA request to get to the bottom of this Suessian hoopla.
In closing, take note of this timeline from July 27, 2009 (all times shown in EDT):
7/27/2009 4:20pm:
Mr. Clay moved to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution, as amended.
7/27/2009 4:22pm:
Considered under suspension of the rules. (consideration: CR H8839-8842)
7/27/2009 4:22pm:
DEBATE – The House proceeded with forty minutes of debate on H. Res. 593.
7/27/2009 4:46pm:
At the conclusion of debate, the chair put the question on the motion to suspend the rules. Mrs. Bachmann objected to the vote on the grounds that a quorum was not present. Further proceedings on the motion were postponed. The point of no quorum was withdrawn.
7/27/2009 5:45pm: Janice Okubo sends email to TerriK only mentioning “the statement issued by the state last year in the Fall.”
7/27/2009 6:32pm:
Considered as unfinished business. (consideration: CR H8846)
7/27/2009 6:55pm:
Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
7/27/2009 6:55pm:
On motion to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution, as amended Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 378 – 0 (Roll no. 647). (text: CR H8839)
7/27/2009 9:00pm:
TerriK sends email to Janice Okubo:
Date: July 27, 2009 9:00:29 PM EDT
To: “Okubo, Janice S.” Subject: Re: Your help is appreciatedMs. Okubo,
Aloha! Thank you so much for replying quickly. And, thank you for the ‘infamous’ press release–it is a document I refer to every so often and having my very own is much appreciated. I’ll consider this document my brush with fame AND infamy! Frankly, I wonder what you must think of the ‘Birther’ inquiries and would like to state upfront, that I completely respect Hawaii’s Privacy laws. I ask that you answer the following, if privacy laws allow:
“Is the Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, able to state they have verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama’s AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”
I fear my carefully chosen wording appears like an effort to ‘pull a fast one’–however, I modeled it on the following statement you were able to make publicly on your press release last year :
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. “
I hope this is reasonable to ask. If not, can you point me to the applicable statute?
Many thanks for your attention to this matter.
7/27/2009 11:45pm: Janice Okubo sends email to TerriK with “the statement issued today by the Hawaii State Director of Health.” However, the copy she sent to TerriK contained the word “more” at the bottom of the page, indicating there was more material on another page, while the News Release that was subsequently posted to the web site did not contain the word “more”.
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The bottom line?
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It appears that Dr. Fukino was not willing to say that Obama was born in Hawaii until the U.S. House of Representatives said Obama was born in Hawaii!
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And remember this… who said:
…the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country…
…the people of the United States of America have just had a historic election where the son of this soil, Barrack Hussein Obama, has been elected the 44th President of the United States of America…
…we are the home of the President-elect of the USA…
Was that in the Statement by Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Hawaii’s Department Of Health Director?
No!
It was in the Official Report of the Kenyan National Assembly Wednesday, 5th November, 2008!!!
See Also:
“Son of This Soil”
Red Pill’s “Amplified Version” of Fukino’s 2nd News Release
Hawaii Sent Two Certificates to Congress, Won’t Send the Third
The Contrapositive: If No Long Form Birth Certificate, Then Obama “Birth Narrative” is Fraudulent
George Washington, John Jay, and Vattel’s Definition of “Natural Born Citizen”
UPDATE September 9, 2010:
Certificate of Nomination Summary
By butterdezillionWhy Pelosi and Germond Signed a Different Certificate of Nomination for Hawaii
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UPDATE October 14, 2010:
In the post above, I link to posts on both MissTickly’s blog and Leo Donofrio’s blog. Unfortunately, both of them have taken their original posts offline, so those links are now dead links. I have, however, been able to contact MissTickly, and she provided this archived version of her post (including comments made by others): http://www.scribd.com/doc/20611487/Miss-Tickly-Our-Worst-Nightmare-Confirmed
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UPDATE January 19, 2011:
Could H. RES. 593 be used as “prima facie” evidence by the State of Hawaii to issue Dr. Fukino’s second News Release and finally make the claim “Obama was born in Hawaii”?
I think the answer is yes, based on
Federal Rules of Evidence
Rule 902. Self-authentication(10) Presumptions under Acts of Congress. Any signature, document, or other matter declared by Act of Congress to be presumptively or prima facie genuine or authentic.
Hawaii governor can’t find Obama birth certificate
But don’t worry… they’ll likely manufacture one for Obama.
I have Questions for Speaker Boehner.
October 8, 2009 at 11:02 pm
“Here’s an example:
“This is false. Both can be true. The logic does not follow. What do you need to understand this? I mean, you could at least explain WHY you think one has to be false if the other is true.”
Lord!
Work that on out for yourself spanky.”
Gosh, I guess I can’t work it out for myself. I always believed that logic was a codified system of reasoning using arguments involving causality and time, but I guess I’ve got a lot to learn from you. Why don’t you walk me through it, real slow, and maybe you could see your way clear to explain why you think that a Senator disagreeing with your interpretation of the meaning of “natural born” PROVES your interpretation of “natural born.”
Or you could just devolve into another round of bratty insults again! Gosh, I can’t BELIEVE that the birther cause isn’t getting the traction it deserves.
October 8, 2009 at 11:31 pm
Ladysforest: my mother always told me it’s wrong to laugh at people who are “different”, but sorry I can’t resist. The difference between you and Jax, Ryan, myself and others, is that when we’re done laughing at you on this blog, we turn the computer off and go back to our sane and normal life. You wouldn’t understand the first thing about logic if it hit you in the face (I would know, it happened a few times already in the few hours you’ve been commenting here). I don’t know how Jax could have made his argument clearer.
How late is lights out in the loony bin these days???
October 9, 2009 at 12:20 am
Beware people! Jax is paid for by the obama propaganda team.
Jax@ss and other “frequent posters” work directly for obama (via fight-the-smears or the like). It’s pretty obvious once you start to see how predictable they are. They NEVER accept the validity of any statement (no matter how true) that doesn’t fit their marching orders.
It’s a total waste of time to “argue” with them. They aren’t looking for truth or understanding. They’re just trying to knock down obama dissent, and keep lies in play such as, “obama’s mom was a citizen, so he’s natural born.”
http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/
If there wasn’t anything to the citizenship issue, Obummer wouldn’t be hiring “browns-shirt bloggers” to smear those who question. They can see the obama charade collapsing; they are out in one last-ditch effort with every finger and toe in the dike; their fear is maxed out; they are $hitting in their pants! They are the “Custer’s Last Stand” or “Baghdad Bob” of the failed obama era!
Keep up the pressure, but stay out of the way when the dike ruptures! Fail fraud TOTUS fail!
OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!
HOPE-for-CHANGE
October 9, 2009 at 12:31 am
The courts are already taking care of that for us. How did Orly’s recent lawsuit go by the way? Even her own client disavowed her and she was threatened with contempt. Hopefully she’ll keep f..ing around and will end up in jail, that ought to fuel the conspiracy theory machine real good.
Eventually I’m sure you’ll find 8 years is a long time to hold your breath hoping for something that will never come.
October 9, 2009 at 12:34 am
Nope, just don’t care for blatant liars. Hey, people who are reading this who buy into a guy named “Captain Steve”? You’re too far gone, god bless, believe whatever crazy stuff you want to believe. Anyone else? Well, read the posts of “Captain Steve”. Is this a guy who sounds like he has a firm grip on reality?
October 9, 2009 at 1:19 am
For the record, I’m from Canada, don’t work for Obama, and I’m pretty pissed off at him based on what he has not done in his first 9 months. Where I’m from Obama would be a conservative.
October 9, 2009 at 2:23 am
The above comment by Jax@ss is paid for by the obama propaganda team implementing Alinsky rule #5 in a pathetic way.
October 9, 2009 at 2:26 am
Ryan,
It’s not just what he hasn’t done. It’s that he’s a liar and a fraud. Here’s a short list I came up with.
He said:
He was a moderate and would govern from the center.
No new taxes on anyone making less than $250K.
Cap-N-Trade would on cost the amount of a postage stamp per day.
No more Washington as usual.
No earmarks.
No lobbyists in Cabinet.
He would keep track of the bailout money.
No free health-care for illegals.
No government funding for abortion.
Health-care debate to be broadcast on C-Span.
No programs enacted without having the funding (Pay-Go).
All new bills to be available for public review.
Didn’t want to run car company.
Doctors remove kids tonsils just to make more money.
Enact policies to make world safer.
He would not desert Israel.
He would get out of Iraq.
He would close Gitmo.
He would do whatever it took to win in Afghanistan.
He would get Bin Laden.
He said he barely knew William Ayers the domestic terrorist and pentagon bomber.
He said he wouldn’t prosecute the CIA agents re detainee treatment.
He would keep a balanced budget.
No deficit spending.
He would be bi-partisan.
Didn’t really know much about ACORN.
Wouldn’t allow government funds to pay for abortions.
Would stop illegal immigration.
No government takeover of health-care.
He would represent ALL Americans.
He also said he was born in Hawaii. Hmmm
Thanks, but I think it’s time to see the LONG-FORM birth certificate, and other records!!!!
HOPE-for-CHANGE
October 9, 2009 at 3:03 am
Captain Steve, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
October 9, 2009 at 3:37 am
Stevo,
Well, we are getting somewhere at least. Those things you mentioned in your last post are, for the most part objective, and I disagree with your interpretation of a lot of them, but at least they are issues. Issues open for discussion, and worth talking about.
However, your opinion would mean a lot more if you could demonstrate the ability for rational thought, and drop the birth certificate thing. There’s no rational reason to believe he was born anywhere but the birthplace on the birth certificate you have already seen.
Do yourself a favour and stop hating people that think different than you. You’ll be a happier person for it.
October 9, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Learn how to identify obama’s paid bloggers.
They are the most frequent pro-obama posters (eg Jax and Ryan), and you can tell by their writing they’re not stupid; they quote law, write of ad hominem attacks, Vattel etc.
But you never can quite reconcile the intelligence in their words with the utter stupidity of their logic, reasoning, and complete unwillingness to fairly consider all options.
If their comment causes you to shake your head in confusion, they are probably a paid blogger. Don’t waste your time trying to reason with them. They’re paid to screw with you.
http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/10/07/the-obama-justice-departments-secret-blogging-team-is-it-illegal/
OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!
HOPE-for-CHANGE
October 9, 2009 at 1:26 pm
a paid blogger mentioned Chester Arthur.
For the benefit of the good people here. here’s the story.
Chester Arthur was a dual citizen usurper and fraud just like obama. He was born in 1829. His father, William, didn’t become a US citizen until 1843. At the time of the election in 1881 both of his parents were citizens. Everybody believed he was a natural born citizen, but Chester Arthur concealed the fact that his father was a British citizen when he was born and that he wasn’t actually a “natural born citizen.”
October 9, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Captain Steve,
I am fully aware of what those posters are and why they are here.
It is good to shine a bright light on them, then ignore them utterly.
Clearly they are part of the crowd fighting against obamas exposure. It is my privilege to bring their tactics into a clearer focus.
Notice now the one – Ryan – is willing to throw you a bone and discuss what he considers “rational” issues. But only as long as you stay away from that “crazy birther stuff”. What a self important little troll it is.
They can and do understand that we will not be swayed in the least by their rhetoric and petty attempts to argue. We bring facts, they show up with nothing but weak and unsubstantiated claims. Oh, and insults.
Do these thin insults you aim bring you any results? That would be a NO.
Do you think for one minute that an anonymous whining clamor from weaklings such as yourselves can sway anyone? That would be a HELL NO!
So, I do agree with Captain Steve that Jax, Ryan, and Math should be officially “shunned” at this point.
They are trolls at best, or poor misguided simpletons, being paid by obama to try and deflect attention away from the natural born citizen issue at worst.
October 9, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Ladysforest,
I agree with you completely!
I point it out in posts occasionally so that the the posters that haven’t had time to figure out the “game” can become more aware, and more skeptical of the obamites pathetic game of redirection, distraction, and obfuscation!
You’re doing a great job. Keep it up. We patriots will prevail in time!
October 9, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Sure you will. In about 7.5 years, I guarantee you’ll be rid of Obama as president for good.
Red Pill has already disclosed (thanks for the privacy by the way) that Ryan and I are from Canada. You really think Obama would hire us?
And until you drop the canned talking points the likes of MM and Fox News plant in your mind (paid obama-blog-bot being the one of the day) and dismiss any logic and argument that you disagree with, all you’re doing is preaching to the choir and isolating yourselves even more.
I know I won’t sway you, and I hope you don’t think I’m trying to. I come here for the entertainment.
And Ladysforest:
Please do. You’d be doing us a favor. Thank you.
October 9, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Math, Nobody in their right mind would believe you.
The above comment is paid for by the obama propaganda team.
October 9, 2009 at 6:22 pm
So then you believe me?
The above comment was made by a headless wingnut drone that can do nothing more than say what Rush, Glenn, Michelle or Sean tells him to say.
October 9, 2009 at 7:53 pm
So, I do agree with Captain Steve that Jax, Ryan, and Math should be officially “shunned” at this point.
They are trolls at best, or poor misguided simpletons, being paid by obama to try and deflect attention away from the natural born citizen issue at worst.
October 9, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Did you just quote your own post?
Also, you realize to win in court, you’re actually going to have to provide arguments, then respond to counter-arguments. It’s called the legal process. Let me know if your responses of “LOL. I’ll let you figure that one out for yourself, Judge!” work out for your cause.
October 9, 2009 at 8:16 pm
The above commenter is part of the “paid for by the obama” propaganda team.
Jax, You’re a pompous @ss. Thx for making my point so well. I doubt many thoughtful readers will be persuaded by your constant attempts of humiliation and Alinsky rule #5. You’re loser; no wonder obama is your idol messiah.
October 9, 2009 at 8:20 pm
I doubt Congress (which, despite what Leo Donofrio has been telling you, has sole power to remove a president from office) will listen to a group that responds to counter-arguments by shutting down and trying to ban people who don’t agree with them. Arguing in court isn’t like arguing on the internet, birthers. You don’t win by going for length and irritation.
By the way, why does the Alinsky thing apply why I ridicule you, but not when you ridicule me? Just curious.
October 9, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Capt. Steve,
Every time you reply to them (or want to, LOL) just cut and past the following, and don’t add a word to it. That’s what I’m going to do…it’ll drive them wild with delight!
RE: Jax, Ryan and Math- ALERT !! DO NOT REPLY TO THEIR POSTS!
They are trolls at best, or poor misguided simpletons, being paid by obama to try and deflect attention away from the natural born citizen issue at worst.
October 9, 2009 at 8:49 pm
I really just hate Obama because he’s black, and they make me nervous. Is anyone with me on that one?
October 9, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Wait, I didn’t say that!
October 9, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Redpill,
Ya got someone using my screen name, see above. Moderate that.
October 9, 2009 at 8:57 pm
RE: Jax, Ryan and Math- ALERT !! DO NOT REPLY TO THEIR POSTS!
They are trolls at best, or poor misguided simpletons, being paid by obama to try and deflect attention away from the natural born citizen issue at worst.
FOLLOW UP::
SAME POSERS ARE SIGNING IN UNDER OTHER POSTERS SIGN-IN NAME
October 12, 2009 at 10:28 am
1) Jax was impersonating Ladysforest, and Jax has been banned for doing so.
2) WordPress uses different avatars for different email addresses, so even though Jax could impersonate Ladysforest’s name, Jax could not impersonate Ladysforest’s avatar.
3) I have chosen not to delete the fraudulent comments. I prefer to leave them exposed. This is the level to which the left descends… lying to try to paint others as racists. When all they can do is falsely label you a racist, they’ve lost (and we’ve won) the intellectual debate.
October 12, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Do any of the lefty commenters think what Jax did was right?
October 13, 2009 at 1:29 am
Can’t speak for lefties, but I can easily speak against them. They are twisted in the head. Their values are selfish, perverted and relative. Nothing they do surprises me anymore, not even when lefty judges let pedophiles off with probation, when they cover for Roman Polansky, or allow a fraud usurper to sit in the White House.
ps. . .You did the right thing to ban Jax. Identity fraud is no joking matter.
October 15, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Identity fraud is no laughing matter Captain Steve – so why don’t you quit with your sock puppet and post as Sam Sewell?
Has your OMG moment happened yet?
October 15, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Oh snap.
October 15, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Frin Says:
October 15, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Identity fraud is no laughing matter Captain Steve – so why don’t you quit with your sock puppet and post as Sam Sewell?
Has your OMG moment happened yet?
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Frin,
You should prove it or shut up. Libel and slander are no laughing matters either. You could find yourself in more trouble than you can handle.
Captain Steve
October 16, 2009 at 12:56 am
Um, Libel and Slander find a nice cozy home here, sheltered only by the lack of protection politicians have for such crimes.
You must be the same person. There was this tape of your Grandmother saying to an interviewer that the two of you are the same person. That’s proof. I also heard this guy “Frin” say so on a website one time. That is also proof. The fact that you have spent so much money on lawyers to hide the fact that you two are the same person pretty much sealed the deal.
Busted.
October 16, 2009 at 1:04 am
No, not really, but I don’t think anyone was fooled by it. It was obviously a joke. I would have issued a warning, but it’s not my blog. You do what you like. Jax has been around for a while and has always been polite, to my recollection. But in your defence (revel in it, I don’t take your side much) the last person you banned was in your camp.
April 3, 2010 at 5:28 pm
[...] Which Government Organization Was The First To Say, “Obama was born in Hawaii”? [...]
June 5, 2010 at 10:49 pm
That wasn’t the only anomaly she found… follow the link for more.
July 1, 2010 at 5:22 pm
[...] It’s a matter of faith that Dr. Fukino’s second news release was based on anything more than the word of Nancy Pelosi and the United States House of Representatives. [...]
July 27, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Hawaii’s health director, Chiyome Fukino, concluded her statement by saying, “I have seen, gently kissed, and lovingly caressed The Messiah’s original birth certificate.”
“Oh, my …,” murmured Ms. Fukino softly, “I need a cigarette.”
July 27, 2010 at 5:57 pm
Factcheck posted the new and improved version of Obama’s birth certificate on August 21, 2008 (within days of Obama’s return from Hawaii). I downloaded the image to my computer two days later.
The birth certificate currently posted on factcheck’s web site appears to be exactly the same as it was on the day I downloaded it to my computer. It “appears” to be exactly the same, but it isn’t.
ALL THE EXIF INFO HAS BEEN REMOVED.
Factcheck’s statement that the images haven’t been edited in any way is a bit less than accurate.
July 27, 2010 at 9:57 pm
Factcheck has a track record of not getting their “facts” right…
Leo Donofrio forced them, not once, but twice, to correct errors that they made.
Yours is a very interesting catch, indeed. It proves that they manipulate things at their whim, and then lie (or “misspeak”) about it.
What do you think is in the EXIF info that they wanted removed? Are you able to analyze the data that was removed? I’m no expert in that area, but it would be interesting to see the timestamp and GPS location of when and where that picture was taken…
July 28, 2010 at 1:41 am
EXIF information is part of the file, not part of the image. Removing it is common practice. Almost every image on the web will have EXIF information in it that shows it has been edited in photoshop, and this leads the uninformed to believe it has been “altered” when the image has simply been formatted and optimized for the web. EXIF usually contained the make and model of the camera, and sometimes the settings used to take the picture It’s very rare to have GPS coordinates in the EXIF data. Date and time information are often included, but are very unreliable, since many people do not set the time on their cameras.
The Obama campaign could have scrawled his birth details on a napkin and it would be valid. It’s not the image of the document that makes his claims true. It’s the confirmation from the issuing body that makes the story true, and you deluded.
July 28, 2010 at 8:43 am
The issuing body has never confirmed the COLB is authentic.
The issuing body has never confirmed the “Obama birth narrative” that he was born at Kapi’olani Medical Center in Hawai‘i at 7:24 PM on August 4, 1961.
The issuing body has never released the Attorney General’s opinion letter that was used to support Dr. Fukino’s July 27, 2009 news release.
The issuing body has never explained what “triggered” Dr. Fukino’s July 27, 2009 news release. But the fact is that Dr. Fukino’s first news release (in October 2008) did NOT say “Obama was born in Hawaii”, and Dr. Fukino did not issue her second news release saying “Obama was born in Hawaii” until AFTER the U.S. House of Representatives voted in favor of a resolution containing those words.
Without evidence to the contrary, the common sense conclusion is that H.Res. 593 enabled Dr. Fukino to make her second news release.
July 28, 2010 at 10:55 am
Still crazy eh? I just need to check once in a while…
Do me a favour and read up on confirmation bias, and how it is the driver behind most conspiracy theories.
July 28, 2010 at 1:01 pm
Show me where the the Hawaii Department of Health ever confirmed the “Obama birth narrative” that he was born at Kapi’olani Medical Center in Hawai‘i at 7:24 PM on August 4, 1961.
They never have.
Still ignoring the truth, eh?
Take off, you hoser!
July 28, 2010 at 2:23 pm
The image and the file are one and the same. Exif data is embedded within the image file itself.
A casual point and shooter like myself might not bother setting the date and time.
To believe investigative reporters from FactCheck didn’t bother, you must also believe Obama thought the yellow button on his desk was labeled, ‘Draw a Line in the Sand,’ so he pressed it more than 130 times as a stalwart senator from the great state of Illinois.
When using a program like Irfan View to resize or ‘optimize’ images for the web, you have the choice to save or not save the EXIF info {default is to save}, i.e., removing the EXIF info is not automatic in Irfan View.
‘Optimizing’ the birth certificate images for the web and thus removing the EXIF info must have been an afterthought – after the images had already been posted to Factcheck’s web site.
EXIF info from birth certificate image as it appeared on Saturday, August 23, 2008.
Make – Canon
Model – Canon PowerShot A570 IS
XResolution – 180
YResolution – 180
ResolutionUnit – Inch
DateTime – 2008:03:12 22:41:37
YCbCrPositioning – Centered
ExifOffset – 268
CustomRendered – Normal process
ExposureMode – Auto
WhiteBalance – Auto
DigitalZoomRatio – 1.00 x
SceneCaptureType – Standard
ExposureTime – 1/60 seconds
FNumber – 4.00
ISOSpeedRatings – 80
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DateTimeOriginal – 2008:03:12 22:41:37
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July 28, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Thanks 2Cha2Chito2, but I’m actually fairly well versed in this – I do it for a living. The image and the EXIF data are both parts of the file. It’s all semantics though, and not important.
All the information you have gleaned tells me is that this image was taken by some staffer (not a photographer) with a cheap camera using default settings. The date may be correct, and it may not be. I would tend to doubt that someone would be working at 10:30pm at night, but I could be wrong.
Mr. Pill, Hawaii is under no obligation to “confirm his birth narrative”. That would be an invasion of privacy, since the hospital and time of birth is irrelevant. They confirmed he was born in Hawaii, and that’s all they need to confirm. You know the quotes, so I won’t post them for the 10th time.
August 7, 2010 at 12:19 am
[...] Here’s what Fukino did and did not say in her July 27, 2009 statement: Which Government Organization Was The First To Say, “Obama was born in Hawaii”? [...]
August 21, 2010 at 8:04 am
[...] And Dr. Fukino was not even willing to issue a press release saying “Obama was born in Hawaii” until after the U.S. House of Representatives voted in favor of a resolution containing those words. Which Government organization was the first to say, “Obama was born in Hawaii”? Before you read what I just wrote, would your answer have been, “The Hawaii State Department of Health”? Sorry, that answer is not a winner. [...]
December 5, 2010 at 1:47 pm
There are regulations concerning the seal that should be on any COLB that was actually issued by the State of Hawaii:
At long last, a copy of the Hawaii Department of Health seal has been disclosed by the department directly. And this seal is consistent with the description of the seal in the Title 11-1 Administrative rules.
But guess what? The “seal” on the “COLB” that was produced at and by the Obama campaign headquarters in Chicago does NOT match the seal that was released directly from Hawaii, and the “Obama COLB seal” is NOT consistent with the description of the seal in the Title 11-1 Administrative rules.
The pResident is a fraud and usurper.
December 5, 2010 at 5:49 pm
Could H. RES. 593 be used as “prima facie” evidence by the State of Hawaii to issue Dr. Fukino’s second News Release and finally make the claim “Obama was born in Hawaii”?
I think the answer is yes, based on
I guess it depends on whether a “Resolution” is considered an “Act” of Congress. If “Acts of Congress” are limited to actual bills that pass both houses and are signed by the President to become an official Act, then no. But if a simple “Resolution” of a single chamber of Congress is considered an “Act of Congress”, then yes.
Members of Congress never inspected any original, initial vital record to verify the “Obama birth narrative”. They neglected their responsibilities under Section 3 of the 20th Amendment. They effectively “outsourced” those responsibilities to an unelected, unaccountable third party that has connections to Obama (via Annenberg). They Assumed that the fraudulent COLB which was shown to a small, select, controlled audience from Annenberg Political Fact Check was actually authentic.
Members of Congress voted in favor of H.Res. 593 with the assumption that the COLB was authentic, and never realized that they were being played… they themselves were unknowingly becoming the ” prima facie” evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Did the State of Hawaii make the claim that “Obama was born in Hawaii” base on H.Res. 593 and not based on any hospital record of Obama’s birth in Hawaii? I think so.
But once Neil Abercrombie becomes Governor, I have little doubt that new documents will be manufactured in Hawaii. Time is short for members of Congress to demand to see the original, initial vital records, released directly to them under seal by the State of Hawaii.