Let’s See Obama’s Version of This…

This is what a copy of an original birth certificate looks like.

This is what a copy of an original birth certificate looks like.

The original vital records are maintained on file by the Hawai’i State Department of Health.

It’s only a matter of time before the truth comes out…

If the truth does not match the COLB produced at the Obama Campaign Headquarters in Chicago, this will be bigger than Watergate and there will be hell to pay.

If the truth does match the COLB produced at the Obama Campaign Headquarters in Chicago, then Barack Hussein Obama passed British citizenship on to his son Barack Hussein Obama II… British citizenship that he still has today.  Assuming the COLB matches the truth, Obama was born a citizen of two countries – the United States and Great Britain.  Obama’s own campaign admitted he was born a British subject.  Being born a citizen of a foreign country, and being born a natural born citizen of the United States, are mutually exclusive.

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30 Responses to Let’s See Obama’s Version of This…

  1. Frin says:

    Mr Pill,

    Just in case you missed if from the last thread – a quote from Lynch vs Clarke:

    “Suppose a person should be elected President who was native born, but of alien parents, could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the constitution? I think not. The position would be decisive in his favor that by the [247] rule of the common law, in force when the constitution was adopted, he is a citizen”

  2. Math says:

    Is this the big thing you were promising this morning? Man what a let down, I was actually hoping for something new to talk about. Just rehashing of old ramblings as usual… sigh…

  3. Jack says:

    The time lines, places, actions, motives, when analyzed, support, and are consistent with, what is the answer to the Obama birth puzzle:

    Obama’s grandmother is his mother and his mother is his sister.

    Think about it. Review all the facts and claims.

  4. A person with a “tangible interest” in Obama’s original birth certificate has agreed to request it. I will not give further details on that at this time.

    Once Obama’s original birth certificate is released from the State of Hawaii, it will either confirm the Certification of Live Birth (COLB) produced by the Obama Campaign Headquaters in Chicago, or it will expose the COLB as a forgery.

    From the very first time I saw the .JPG of the COLB, I thought it was a forgery. Comparison with the original birth certificate will reveal the truth.

    If the COLB is a forgery, this is bigger than Watergate.

    If the COLB is authentic, Obama is proven to have had “dual citizenship” at birth: U.S. Citizenship by way of the 14th amendment, and British Citizenship by way of the British Nationality Act of 1948.

    While the 14th Amendment defines Citizenship, it does not define “natural born Citizenship”. The Supreme Court has made it clear that the Constitution (including the 14th Amendment) does not define “natural born Citizen”, and that there are doubts as to whether “natural born Citizen” can include people in Obama’s situation (with a father who was never a U.S. Citizen, and who transferred foreign citizenship to his son).

    If the COLB is authentic, the Supreme Court must clarify the meaning of “natural born Citizen” so that members of Congress can honor their sworn oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, including the following two passages:

    From Article II Section 1:

    No person except a natural born Citizen … shall be eligible to the Office of President

    From the 20th Amendment:

    if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified

  5. Frin,
    Here’s the answer to your question about Lynch vs Clarke.

  6. Math says:

    A person with a “vested interest” that would agree to do this for the birthers… LOL kind of like everyone who has sued so far and was turned down because of lack of standing?

  7. “tangible interest”.

    And we’ll see if you’re still laughing when the original birth certificate is revealed, either exposing the COLB as a fraud, or confirming that there are Constitutional doubts (as expressed by the U.S. Supreme Court) about whether or not Obama is a “natural born Citizen”, because he was born to a father who was not a U.S. Citizen.

  8. Ryan says:

    About this scenario #2 where it is “discovered” that Obama’s father is not a US citizen.

    Man … if that ever gets out …

  9. Ha, ha, Ryan, you’re a funny man!

    Sure, a lot of people have known for a long time that Obama’s father was not a US Citizen.

    But what you either fail to (or refuse to) recognize is that people were duped into thinking that birth citizenship under the 14th Amendment = “Natural Born” Citizenship.

    It doesn’t. The Supreme Court made that clear in 1885, more than six years after the ratification of the 14th Amendment.

    Many people were duped into thinking that the only people who wanted to see the Birth Certificate were crazy “birthers” who believed Obama was born in Kenya.

    Wrong.

    Obama has not released a single document directly from the State of Hawaii. He has only produced a CertificatION, not a CertificatE, and it was produced by and at his Chicago Campaign Headquarters, and only shown to a very small and very controlled audience. There are many reasons to believe that this document was forged.

    There are many different things that could lead Obama to want to hide his true original birth certificate. His birth location is only one of those. He could be wanting to conceal his real name, if his name was changed due to adoption by Lolo Soetoro. He could be wanting to conceal a lack of a father or a different father on his B.C. I’m not saying with certainty that any of those are the case, I’m just saying those could all be reasons why he wouldn’t want the truth to be known.

    If Obama’s B.C. matches the previously-released COLB, then it is confirmed that he was born to a non-U.S. Citizen father, and is therefore ineligible because he was not born a Natural Born Citizen.

    If Obama’s B.C. does not match the previously-released COLB, then this is a bigger scandal and cover-up than Watergate.

    Either way, Barack Hussein Obama (a.k.a. Indonesian Citizen Barry Soetoro) is not qualified to hold the office of President of the United States.

    The Obama house of cards is about to come tumbling down, and it should take Nancy Pelosi down as well.

  10. Ryan says:

    Um, he admits that his father was not a US citizen, and has never tried to hide this fact. Yet there he is, living in the White House.

    So … is there some sort of new information that you have that would change the minds of all the judges of the supreme court? Have you uncovered a single bit f new evidence since the election? When there are conspiracies involving about a hundred thousand people, things tend to leak out. Hawaii has confirmed that the released birth certificate is the same as the one on file. re they lying about that? If they are why would you trust the “original”? I’ll answer that one for you. You won’t. You don’t trust anyone anywhere, so you can never resolve this in your mind.

    Stop being dumb.

  11. Frin says:

    Mr Pill,

    Hawaiian officlals have explicitly stated that Certifcation and Certificate are exactly the same thing. Stop being so dishonest in your claims that they are somehow different.

    I love it how you have just ignored how Polarik has been exposed as a fake, the same as Techdude. You spent many a blog post waxing lyrical about how these “experts” had “proved” the COLB to be a forgery. Turns out the only fraud were the “experts”. Are you man enough to admit you bought into their bogus reports? You didn’t even question their credentials – just bought their stories hook, line and sinker. What a sucker.

  12. Frin,

    Hawaiian officlals have explicitly stated that Certifcation and Certificate are exactly the same thing. Stop being so dishonest in your claims that they are somehow different.

    Are you smarter than a fifth grader?

    Any fifth grader could look at this and realize that the document on the left is not “exactly the same thing” as the document on the right.

    You are either highly ignorant, highly dishonest, or both.

    And you have done nothing to disprove the analysis done by Polarik. All you have done is participate in the typical Democratic Socialist “Politics of Personal Destruction” and launch ad hominem attacks against Polarik. I dare you to actually disprove his analysis of things like how the “Obama COLB” used a 2008 border on a document that was supposedly printed in 2007. Facts are facts, and your attacks on Polarik, just like the attacks on Joe the Plumber and the attacks on Sarah Palin (and the attacks on her daughters!) can’t change the facts about Obama.

    When you can’t attack the message, you attack the messenger. We see it time and time again from the left. That’s exactly what’s going on right now in regards to a new bestseller… they can’t attack the message, so they attack the messenger.

  13. Frin says:

    Mr Pill,

    I have posted this on your site before – so who is being dishonest? Its from Hawaii’s Janice Okubo. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/28/worldnetdaily/birthers-claim-gibbs-lied-when-he-said-obamas-birt/

    “There’s only one form of birth certificate,” she said, and it’s been the same since the 1980s. Birth certificates evolve over the decades, she said, and there are no doubt differences between the way birth certificates looked when Obama was born and now.

    “When you request a birth certificate, the one you get looks exactly like the one posted on his site,” she said. “That’s the birth certificate.”

    Its not an ad hominen attack to point out the truth that Polarik and TechDude were frauds – you were duped. Polarik’s “analysis” has been well and truly debunked by a real computer expert – which I’m sure you’ve seen already. Dr Neal Krawetz tore his report apart last year – see http://www.yestodemocracy.com/yes_to_democracy_no_to_pu/2008/12/a-real-experts-opinion.html.

    Be man enough to admit you were duped by frauds.

  14. Ryan says:

    One of those certificates was printed before the other my friend. I got a replacement birth certificate not long ago, and it is the new modern kind, not the one from when I was born. The document Obama has presented is a certified copy directly from Hawaii, and the Hawaiian officials have confirmed that. I’m really starting to question your intelligence.

    Are you saying that the Hawaiian government has lied?

    Please please please answer that for me.

  15. Go back to the picture at the top of this post. Those official copies were obtained recently for twins who were born the day after Barack. If Barack has an original certificate of live birth from Hawaii, this is what a present-day official copy will look like. This is the document that members of Congress need to examine to determine the facts of Obama’s birth.

    Every day, more and more Americans are calling for Obama to release this document. Some of you say he doesn’t have to show it. But Obama’s own standard says that yes, it is his duty not just to the Congress but to the American people to make sure we can thoroughly and adequately evaluate the record.

    This White House continues to stymie efforts on the part of the Senate to do its job. I hope with the next nominee who comes up for the Supreme Court that the White House recognizes that in fact it is its duty not just to the Senate but to the American people to make sure we can thoroughly and adequately evaluate the record

  16. Are you saying that the Hawaiian government has lied?

    No, they have chosen their words very carefully, to create a false impression but still be within technical legal definitions of words. Kind of like “I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.”

  17. Math says:

    You mean to tell us that the old hag in the picture is a day YOUNGER than Obama? Come on man.

  18. Ryan says:

    No, they have chosen their words very carefully, to create a false impression

    They said in no uncertain terms that released document matched the original. Please let me know which of the words used could be interpreted as “We know Obama has lied about his birth certificate, yet, as republican government officials, we are going to cover it up for him, ’cause we think he’s awesome, and because we love communists”

  19. Math,

    That woman is the mother of twins who were born the day after Obama. She recently requested official copies of the twins’ original birth certificates, and she is displaying them.

    You call her an “old hag”, but at least she’s still alive. If you call her an “old hag”, what do you call Obama’s deceased mother?

    You stay classy, Math.

  20. Ryan,

    Please link to an official statement from Health Director Dr. Fukino, where she said that the COLB produced at and by the Obama Campaign Headquarters is fully authentic and matches all of the information on the original birth certificate. It doesn’t exist, and even if did, why should anyone take her word for it instead of seeing the original document?

    Obfuscation and ridicule. Instead of keeping promises to be open, transparent, and accountable.

    By Obama’s own standards, by the words out of his own mouth, it is his duty not just to the Senate but to the American people to make sure we can thoroughly and adequately evaluate the record.

    Or were those “just words“?

  21. In response to a direct question from WND, the Hawaii Department of Health refused to authenticate either of the two versions of President Obama’s short-form Certificate of Live Birth, or COLB, posted online – neither the image produced by the Obama campaign nor the images released by FactCheck.org.

    Janice Okubu, the public information officer for the Hawaii DOH, also had no explanation for why Dr. Chiyome Fukino’s initial press release last October and subsequent press release last week also avoided declaring the posted images to be of authentic documents.

  22. Frin,

    Be man enough to admit you were duped by frauds.

    I am man enough to admit you were duped by frauds.

  23. Math says:

    Which ones Red?

    You quoted Polarik abundantly before he was exposed as a fraud. Which proven fraud duped us?

    By the way, I must say I admire the maturity of your last reply. Perhaps you should go back to your video games and leave the grown up matters to the grown ups.

  24. Which proven fraud duped us?

  25. Ryan,
    You previously said:

    They said in no uncertain terms that released document matched the original.

    I challenged you to link to an official statement from Health Director Dr. Fukino, where she said that the COLB produced at and by the Obama Campaign Headquarters is fully authentic and matches all of the information on the original birth certificate.

    I’m still waiting for you to produce this link, proving that what you said is true and not a lie.

  26. Frin says:

    Mr Pill,

    Thats what a copy of a birth certificate looked like in 1966, when Eleanor Nordyke requested it.

    See the photos of them here.

    She didn’t just get these certificates recently you know…

    Hawaii has stated that a COLB is all that you will get now, nothing more and nothing less. There is no short form or long form.

  27. Frin,

    Hawaii has stated that a COLB is all that you will get now, nothing more and nothing less. There is no short form or long form.

    Please link to the official statement by Dr. Fukino that substantiates your claim.

  28. janya barrish says:

    There is such a thing as having a legitimate “Dual Citizenship.” The crux of the matter is, it seems, is President Obama a dual citizen and what does the supreme court have to say about it, since I do not think that the constitution addresses this type of citizenship.

  29. Ryan says:

    The supreme court is not going to do anything about any of this. Everything that is currently known about the situation around his birth, and his and his parents’ citizenship has always been knows, and has been disclosed by him, not “discovered”. All of these things have been presented to the supreme court. All of these things have been in the hands of his opponents (both the Clinton campaign an the McCain/Palin camp). None of it got anywhere. When your bitter rivals cannot even find a flaw in your eligibility, you are probably eligible.

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