Open, Transparent, and Accountable

Remember Obama’s promises of “open, transparent, and accountable” government?

He is the leader of the “Culture of Corruption“.

Speaking of documents…

Where is the document, certified authentic by the State of Hawaii, proving Obama’s birth location?

The State of Hawaii has never officially said that Obama was born there, and has never officially said that the “COLB” he produced at the Obama campaign headquarters is authentic.

The only group that has claimed the COLB is authentic is a group that lied about the document itself and lied about what a Hawaiian official said.

Annenberg Political Fact Check (www.FactCheck.org) claims that:

FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate

and

The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

Both of those statements are NOT TRUE!

Annenberg Political Fact Check examined a Certification of Live Birth, not “the original birth certificate”.

Dr. Chiyome Fukino, in her statement released October 31, 2008 NEVER confirmed that Obama was born in Honolulu.

With Annenberg Political Fact Check telling two outright lies, why should anyone accept their word that Obama’s COLB is authentic?

Why did our Congress inspect official certificates, issued by the Secretary of State from each of the 50 states, for the electoral college vote, but our Congress outsourced the inspection of Barack Hussein Obama’s birth certificate to demonstrated liars Annenberg Political Fact Check?

Does anyone in Congress have the “huevos” to insist that they be shown an official birth certificate, issued directly from the State of Hawaii, for Barack Hussein Obama?

The birth certificate is only a secondary issue, as Obama has already admitted that he was born a British subject.

(See NBC = 1,2,3 and Leo Donofrio’s Recent Posts.)

But even those who believe that birth on U.S. soil is all that is required to be a “Natural Born Citizen”, must admit that Annenberg Political Fact Check did not tell the truth when they claimed they examined Obama’s “original birth certificate” and they did not tell the truth when they claimed “The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu”.

How about some honesty?

How about some openness?

How about some transparency?

How about some accountability?

Don’t believe Obama’s promises about anything.

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139 Responses to Open, Transparent, and Accountable

  1. Ward Tipton says:

    And now we discover that there is new “evidence” that he was actually born in a second hospital in Hawaii. He can be born in two places at the same time, surely he can be in two places at the same time now.

    What a farce.

  2. In the ongoing quest to determine the exact birthplace of Barack Obama, the president’s alleged personal effort to put the matter to rest is raising some interesting new questions.

    U.S. Rep. Neil Abercrombie, D-Hawaii, read this alleged letter from Obama. Abercrombie spokesman Dave Helfert indicated he personally had not seen any letter from the President. He says he can’t understand why the public is demanding such a level of proof of natural-born citizenship, and when asked why he thought Obama just doesn’t end the controversy by releasing his long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate displaying the name of the hospital and doctor, Helfert said he couldn’t speak for the president, but “if that were me, I’d tell people to stick it in their ear. It’s none of their business. The documents online have been certified to show he was born in the U.S.”

    Stick it in our ear? It’s none of our business if the man acting as our President is Constitutionally eligible or not? It’s none of our business if Obama is a usurper?

    Here is what is required to put this issue to rest:

    1) A U.S. Supreme Court ruling on the definition of “Natural born Citizen”. Is someone who was born a British subject, after the adoption of the United States Constitution, eligible to hold the office of President and Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Armed Services?

    2) If the answer to #1 is “No”, then that is all that is required to reveal Obama as a usurper. If the answer is “Yes”, then certified proof, directly from the State of Hawaii, is required to show that Obama was in fact born at Honolulu’s Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children, as he claims.

  3. Ward Tipton says:

    World Net Daily has a great article up about this. I do not want to fill up your site with links, but it is well worth checking out.

    -Ward-

  4. Ed Darrell says:

    The State of Hawaii has never officially said that Obama was born there, and has never officially said that the “COLB” he produced at the Obama campaign headquarters is authentic.

    Well, yeah, if you ignore the certified document that is a statement under seal from the State of Hawaii that says Obama was born in Honolulu.

    But if you ignore all the legally mandated evidence, what in the world are you left with? You can’t prove you weren’t born in a brothel in Texarkana under those terms.

    Mr. Tipton, what “new evidence” is there confusing hospitals? You’re still speaking of Obama’s younger sister’s minor misstatement? She was not present at his birth, of course, so at best she’s got second-hand hearsay, inadmissable especially against a certified, under seal document from the State of Hawaii.

  5. Ed,

    the certified document that is a statement under seal from the State of Hawaii

    What proof do you have of that?

    Has the State of Hawaii released a certified document under seal?

    No.

    Has the State of Hawaii confirmed that the document produced at the Obama campaign headquarters in Chicago is authentic?

    No.

    Did the only organization that “vouched” for the authenticity of the document produced at the Obama campaign headquarters in Chicago tell the truth?

    No.

    Annenberg Political Fact Check did not tell the truth when they claimed:

    FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate

    and Annenberg Political Fact Check did not tell the truth when they claimed:

    The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

    Why should anyone take the word of Annenberg Political Fact Check that the fraudulent “Obama Certification of Live Birth” is authentic?

    If it is authentic, why won’t Obama authorize the State of Hawaii to release a certified copy directly from the State of Hawaii?

  6. This is very interesting:

    An article at “Modern Ghana” originally said the following:

    For Ghana, Obama’s visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth.

    Some astute people commented the following:

    BHO Birthplace?
    Rhonda Blair | Wisconsin-USA | 7/12/2009 4:48:00 PM

    I thought Obama was born in the USA. From your article: “For Ghana, Obama’s visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth.”

    Which is it? Obama, put up or step down.

    Birth of Obama?????
    Eduardo Ramirez | New York-US | 7/12/2009 4:07:00 PM
    “… the continent of his birth”?

    After these comments, “Modern Ghana” changed that section by adding the word “father’s”:

    For Ghana, Obama’s visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his father’s birth.

    Sounds a lot like “son of this soil”, which was scrubbed from the official web site of the Kenyan Parliament!

    …And meanwhile our Congress “outsourced” the verification of Obama’s birth certificate to an unelected, untrustworthy third party: Annenberg Political Fact Check.

    Our Congress inspected official certificates from the Secretary of State of each of the 50 states… certificates of the electoral college vote… but not one of the 535 members of Congress asked to see the official certificate from the State of Hawaii to verify Obama’s birth location.

  7. Ward Tipton says:

    Just a few places to start -

    the short-form “certification of live birth” he released to select news organization was at least sometimes issued for foreign births on the basis of an affidavit by one parent, it proves nothing as far as constitutional eligibility – and, in fact, raises suspicions about a foreign birth.

    And

    If you happened to read online news sites such as United Press International or the popular hoax-busting Snopes.com anytime up until Tuesday night, you would have seen definitive statements that President Obama was born at the Queen’s Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii.

    But checking back now, both sites are suddenly providing an entirely different location, the Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children, also in the capital of the Aloha State.

    If you do have definitive proof Mr. Darrell, you could perhaps present this to any of the many sites offering cash rewards for your information. Oddly enough, to date, nobody has come forth to claim ANY of these rewards in the tens of thousands of dollars.

    Again, all of this could be summarily dismissed if he would simply release some limited information about his past. Revealing College Records, passport records for his travel to Pakistan at a time in the early 1980s when Americans were not legally allowed to travel there (and whether or not he was traveling on an American Passport) His college records to show whether or not he received aid as a foreign student, an actual birth certificate and not simply a certificate of live birth that would be the same for both foreign and domestic children,

    It may help if his very own Grandmother was not telling everybody that will listen that she was there at his birth in Kenya. Add in on top of that the fact that the Father is Kenyan and if he did in fact hold dual citizenship in his youth, he is still not eligible …. and voila, you have a controversy that he is apparently quite happy to allow to run rampant while he continues to destroy our economy and our industry.

  8. Ward Tipton says:

    I am not familiar with that one. The page is down and the preview is too small to read. It looks like it is from the Fight The Smears page but I would imagine they are picking their fights carefully, selecting the battles they can win and dismissing the rest as “paranoia” on the part of a bunch of “conspiracy theorists”. Just my two cents though.

    At first, I figured you were going to mention the letter from Obama on White House stationary to the hospital which has been taken off all of the websites but still remains in their print publications.

  9. Ward Tipton says:

    Hehehe It looks like World Net Daily finally caught up with you on that last catch. http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=bsp&ver=1qygpcgurkovy

    Good eye!

  10. Frin says:

    Ward,

    You are repeating a story that has proven to be a lie. There was no Pakistan travel ban in 1981. See here for travel advice for the time: http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/travel/cis/southasia/Pakistan.htm

    You can listen to the whole Sarah Obama interview here:
    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-conte … 167169.wma

    If you bother to listen to the whole thing you will find this statement:

    “”MCRAE: OK I’m sorry. I, I thought she said she was present when he was born. I was—
    TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (sounding exasperated): No, no! The, the woman was not present. She was uh not, a what–you see, she was here in Kenya, and Obama was born in America. That is, that’s obvious.””

    Mr Pill, these lies have been pointed out to you before, and yet you make no effort to correct them when others repeat them, yet you are happy to jump on any commentors that post opinions that don’t agree with yours. Its a very dishonest trait.

  11. Frin says:

    Full link to Sarah Obama audio:

    [audio src="http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/8167169.wma" /]

  12. Math says:

    Yeah, as Frin said, and as I said in another thread, this is so much a case of misunderstanding, it’s not even funny. The clip they use for propaganda is cut just after the translator said what he said. No wonder, if they left 5 more seconds it would have been clear that it was a misunderstanding.

  13. itooktheredpill says:

    Math,

    Why did Congress inspect official certificates from the Secretary of State of each of the 50 states in one instance (the certificates of the electoral college vote), but Congress did NOT inspect an official certificate from the State of Hawaii in another instance (Obama’s birth certificate)?

    Both are equally important to upholding the Constitution of the United States of America.

    Why was one type of certificate inspected by Congress, but the other certificate was not? Why was this “outsourced” to an unaccountable, unelected, untrustworthy third party?

  14. Math says:

    Apples and oranges. Of course they’ll inspect the certificates (not birth certificates by the way) of all electoral voters. Do you know who the voters were from your state? How about the ones of the states around you? Do you expect Congress to accept the votes from a bunch of people they don’t know without vetting them? If not what would have stopped you from knocking out one of the voters of your state and go take his place?

    The scale of the conspiracy your imagining is mind boggling. Do I need to remind you that it was none other than John Roberts, a republican, who received Obamas’s oath? Do you think that if there was ANY evidence that Obama was ineligible, it would have come out by now? I mean there are a little less than 50% of the people who disagree with him now.

  15. itooktheredpill says:

    Math,

    That response was weak.

    From the United States Constitution, Article II Section 1

    The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

    No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

    The United States Congress performed their due diligence in examining the certifications of the Electoral College vote.

    The United States Congress did not perform due diligence in examining the certifications of the candidates.

    There is no excuse for that.

  16. Math says:

    How do you know for sure they didn’t by the way? Maybe they did and were satisfied that he was eligible? Just because you don’t agree, doesn’t mean they didn’t do it.

  17. Ed Darrell says:

    I had noted: “the certified document that is a statement under seal from the State of Hawaii.”

    ITTRP said:

    What proof do you have of that?

    Has the State of Hawaii released a certified document under seal?

    Yes, the state of Hawaii released the certificate under seal. A document under seal is self-proving. Might there be a problem with the seal? Both the Governor of Hawaii and the director of vital records have attested the information on the sealed document is accurate.

  18. Ed Darrell says:

    The United States Congress did not perform due diligence in examining the certifications of the candidates.

    There is no excuse for that.

    There are reasons for that, however, which do excuse their not doing it so late in the game.

    1. No one has ever presented as much evidence to prove their birthplace and compliance under Article II before as Barack Obama did this time. Only racists and loonies argue against evidence the Constitution requires we give full faith and credit to.

    2. Obama’s bona fides had already been checked out by the U.S. State Department, the FBI and the CIA in the federal branch. No problems were discovered.

    3. There was no serious allegation that there was any problem with Obama’s eligibility.

    Congress was not excused, but neither did Congress fail to perform its duty.

  19. Ward Tipton says:

    Okay, everything is in order and fine which is why all I need to get a job or a passport or a driver’s license is a certificate of live birth right?

    It is not going to be possible. Even living in a foreign country I cannot use something like this for an ID at the US Embassy. I have to have a certified copy of my birth certificate. A certificate of live birth is not even sufficient enough to get me a Certificate of Eligibility to marry from the US Embassy.

    Frin, I am sorry but the documents you reference from Pakistan are from 1947 and there are a few problems with that. Not the least of these that at that time, the Middle East was still being divided up and had a lot of changes to go through in the next four years that would definitely adversely affect State Department regulations … even if the State Department was the same back then and had the same goals.

    I personally believe that actual Birth Certificate is relevant for a number of reasons whether or not he was vetted by the FBI. Nancy Pelosi is raising a stink about the CIA because of a program that never made it past the planning stage. If they had to inform congress and the senate every time they had a thought or a brain fart, nothing would get done. How much weight do you think the FBI carries when it comes to politicians favorites in power? The abuse and enforcement of our system of laws has become entirely arbitrary. Wasn’t the very same FBI made aware of the 9-11 Hijackers as well? Despite having solid information they were not permitted to follow up on it or did not have the resources to delve into something so delicate. How farfetched (or conspiratorial or even loonie) would it be question their ability to delve into politically sensitive matters now?

    If my Mother is a US citizen and my Dad an Irish citizen and then my Irish dad leaves me and my Mother marries a German citizen, how difficult, farfetched, conspiratorial or loonie is it to believe that I may be a dual citizen and as such, ineligible for the office of POTUS? Now if I write a book proclaiming how ashamed I am to be half American and praising my German and/or Irish roots as it is most convenient to do on whatever individual occasion … would that raise concerns for you?

    What passport was used when he traveled to Pakistan? Was it an Indonesian passport under the Soetoro name? Again, this would raise concerns about eligibilty.

    Were grants and/or loans for foreign students used to pay for his schooling? If so, this would not necessarily disqualify him but it would certainly raise some issues that could not be easily dismissed.

    Now when you put all of that together, do you begin to see how it could raise legitimate doubts? When all of this smoke and mirrors could easily be dismissed as “crackpot theory” with the release of very limited records, from a person who actively campaigned on a platform of transparency in government with a House Speaker who proudly proclaimed that she was going to run the most open and ethical congress in history … well that just irritates some of us and causes us to doubt the veracity of much more than these claims but in fact, to question character and more.

  20. Ward Tipton says:

    Passed should be past. Apologies.

    [Red Pill: Ward, based on this comment, I made the edit for you in your comment above.]

  21. Ryan says:

    Ward – give up. This is pure idiocy. I’ve got a task for you.

    Sit down, relax a bit, and try to count all the people, including judges, government officials, elected and otherwise, government clerks, doctors, nurses, hospital administrators, reporters, and all of their staff, who would need to be involved in the conspiracy, had Obama not been born in Hawaii. Then imagine all of them keeping the secret, and ask yourself why they would do that, considering many of them would be conservative republicans, like the state officials in Hawaii.

    After that, if you still think there is a conspiracy, ask yourself this: If there is a conspiracy that big, involving that many people, including the people in charge of the vault where Obama’s Birth Certificate resides, what would stop them from faking his birth certificate, and putting it in the hands of whoever wants to see it?

    There is one possible solution to this. There is no conspiracy. The Certificate of Live Birth released by the state of Hawaii IS his birth certificate. They said it was, and they are the ones in charge of birth certificates in Hawaii, so their opinion is kind of definitive, isn’t it?

    A person born on US soil is a natural born citizen, regardless of the parents’ citizenship. That is plain as day.

    Don’t fall into this trap. Criticize Obama all you like – I encourage it, and I do it too, but don’t be an idiot.

  22. Ward Tipton says:

    Ryan,

    I have my own task thank you. It is called work which is why you would see such a large gap in between my posts here and on other sites. I never raised the issue of conspiracy, only asked if critical thinking skills indicated a conspiracy and apparently they do to you. I simply raised my personal concerns regarding Obama and his eligibility.

    At best, he could release a limited amount of background under the guise of the transparency he promised or he could ignore everything he said and continue spending millions of (campaign?) dollars on lawyers to keep these documents sealed raising even more doubts … as he has been doing. If he released the documents, he wins and the game and your so-called conspiracy are over.

    Regardless, his actions do indicate a serious disregard for the people, some “obligation” to spend lots of money on lawyers to continue “hiding” these documents and appears as a direct result of this to be incapable of doing what he promised to do. That is certainly not a situation unique to Obama as broken campaign promises are common among politicians of all ilks. What it is is curious as to why he would spend so much money to continue hiding these things. (Note: Not just the birth certificate and to attempt to narrow the argument to any single issue is as asinine as attempting to narrow down all pollutants to CO2 which is a necessary part of the symbiotic relationship that we have with “mother earth”)

    At worst, it would confirm that he may in fact not be eligible or has used various citizenship claims at various times based on their convenience for him.

    What conspiracy?

    As for the last part of your comment, it is not worthy of you and certainly not worthy of any retort.

  23. Ryan says:

    Show me proof that he spent money to hide his birth certificate. That was made up. Yes, he has lawyers on staff – so did every candidate in the election. It’s all made up – just like the crap about his grandmother saying he was born in Kenya, which is still spread by people like you and Mr. Pill – even though if you listen to the tape, she never says it, and tells the guy he was born in Hawaii.

    Pure idiocy.

  24. Ed Darrell says:

    It is not going to be possible. Even living in a foreign country I cannot use something like this for an ID at the US Embassy. I have to have a certified copy of my birth certificate. A certificate of live birth is not even sufficient enough to get me a Certificate of Eligibility to marry from the US Embassy.

    Have you asked the State Department? According to Hawaii state law, it should work. When I called State, when I checked their website, there was no problem.

    A certificate of live birth, certified, from the State of Hawaii, has all the information the State Department asks.

    What on Earth makes you think it’s not a certified document from the State of Hawaii, as it states on its face? What on Earth makes you think the State Department doesn’t issue passports to Hawaiians just the same as they do to citizens of the other 49 states?

  25. Ed Darrell says:

    What passport was used when he traveled to Pakistan? Was it an Indonesian passport under the Soetoro name? Again, this would raise concerns about eligibilty.

    A U.S. passport. We have absolutely no information to suggest Obama has ever held a different passport — including when the security was breached on his passport last year. Nothing amiss.

    The story about his traveling on a different nation’s passport was a logical extension from the claim that travel to Pakistan was banned for U.S. citizens when Obama went there in 1981. If travel was banned, he must have travelled on some other passport, right?

    Alas for the argument, travel from the U.S. to Pakistan has never been banned (only Cuba has that distinction). Moreover, a State Department “ban” doesn’t mean that nation won’t let U.S. citizens in — it only means that the State Department will give you difficulty later, or in the case of Cuba, there may be prosecution for violating other U.S. laws.

    Since travel to Pakistan was never banned, and since travel to a banned nation is possible on a U.S. passport, there is absolutely no reason to think Obama ever had anything other than a U.S. passport.

    Seriously, do you have any contrary evidence? Let’s see the evidence, please.

  26. Ed Darrell says:

    At best, he could release a limited amount of background under the guise of the transparency he promised or he could ignore everything he said and continue spending millions of (campaign?) dollars on lawyers to keep these documents sealed raising even more doubts … as he has been doing. If he released the documents, he wins and the game and your so-called conspiracy are over.

    Obama released the certified, sealed statement from the State of Hawaii that the law says must be regarded as his birth certificate. It states, as laws says it must state accurately, that he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii — end of story, right?

    You and others claim this official document isn’t good enough. So, if the actual document you claim to want isn’t good enough, what is?

    Newspapers from 1961 carry the same story in their public records section. Contemporary official published records are good enough for any court in the U.S.

    But you won’t accept it.

    The State Department issued Obama a passport, as was confirmed inadvertently when Obama’s passport information was accessed improperly during a contractor training session. The information, so far as we know, was exactly as stated — Obama’s a U.S. citizen. Moreover, those who breached the records got fired, so they’d have a pecuniary and revenge reason to blab if the information were different. No blabbing.

    You say you don’t accept the word of the State Department.

    In the U.S. Senate, every senator must get a national security clearance from the FBI. A foreign birth, and misstatements about that birth, would be cause for less than the top level clearance. Obama was a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, and chairman of the Subcommittee on NATO, which requires top, top clearance.

    After he got the nomination, the CIA gave him the same briefing the president gets every day. CIA checks all people out first, as required under law and public procedures. Obama checked out, or he wouldn’t have gotten the clearance, and the briefings.

    You say you don’t believe the U.S. Senate, the FBI and the CIA.

    I say, if you disrespect this nation so, screw you.

    Regardless, his actions do indicate a serious disregard for the people, some “obligation” to spend lots of money on lawyers to continue “hiding” these documents and appears as a direct result of this to be incapable of doing what he promised to do.

    Please offer evidence that Obama has spent more than a nominal sum — more than $1.00 — defending anything. On the one hand, that would be required since bloviators like you are suing, and he’d have to hire lawyers. But on the other hand, the suits are against states and the FEC — they are defended by publicly-paid lawyers, government lawyers. If you’re concerned about the money, stop suing and causing the waste of the money.

    But don’t jive me that Obama’s non-spending is really spending, or that there is anything untoward about defending yourself against nuisance suits filed by crazy people. That Obama has a lawyer is only evidence that crazies are suing, and nothing more.

    But you’ve not got any indication that Obama’s spent more than $1.00 in his own defense.

    That is certainly not a situation unique to Obama as broken campaign promises are common among politicians of all ilks. What it is is curious as to why he would spend so much money to continue hiding these things. (Note: Not just the birth certificate and to attempt to narrow the argument to any single issue is as asinine as attempting to narrow down all pollutants to CO2 which is a necessary part of the symbiotic relationship that we have with “mother earth”).

    No one is trying to “narrow down all pollutants to CO2.” Clearly you have no understanding of air pollution, nor the Clean Air Act.

    At worst, it would confirm that he may in fact not be eligible or has used various citizenship claims at various times based on their convenience for him.

    What conspiracy?

    The conspiracy of dunces and crazies who are trying to hound Obama.

    I smell Rule 11 sanctions all over this issue.

  27. Ed,

    You try to shift the burden of proof from Obama to those who dare to question him.

    But it is Barry Soetoro / Barack Hussein Obama who has to prove that he is Constitutionally eligible to hold the office of President and Commander in Chief. It is not the responsibility of others to prove he is ineligible. This isn’t “innocent until proven guilty”. This is “ineligible until proven eligible”. Ever heard of an I-9 Form? Obama was legally required to fill out I-9 forms each time he started a new job, including, but not limited to, when he started as IL State Senator, U.S. Senator, and President. Has Mr. “open, transparent, and accountable” been “open, transparent, and accountable” with those forms? No.

    Could you start a new job and only provide a newspaper birth announcement as proof of your U.S. Citizenship? Of course not. If that’s not acceptable for a job at McDonald’s then it is certainly not acceptable for the highest office in this country. So the newspaper birth announcement argument is completely moot.

    And we don’t have to prove that the “Obama CertificatION of Live Birth” produced by his campaign staff at their Chicago headquarters is a fraud. Obama needs to authorize the release of his “CertificatE of Live Birth” directly from the State of Hawaii. Just like what was done with the Certificate of the Electoral College vote. There needs to be a chain of custody that does not run through the Obama campaign headquarters.

    How do I know that my Senator didn’t examine the “Obama CertificatION of Live Birth” produced by Obama’s campaign staff at their Chicago headquarters? My Senator told me so himself. He took the word of Annenberg Political Fact Check.

    That, in my opinion, is malpractice.

  28. A certificate of live birth is not even sufficient enough to get me a Certificate of Eligibility to marry from the US Embassy.

    Have you asked the State Department? According to Hawaii state law, it should work. When I called State, when I checked their website, there was no problem.

    Ward, be careful with your terminology here. A certificatION of live birth may not be sufficient, but a certificatE of live birth is the original long-form birth certificate.

    The State of Hawaii has never claimed that they released either of these two documents for Soetoro/Obama. The State of Hawaii has never claimed that the document produced at the Obama campaign headquarters is authentic. The State of Hawaii has never claimed that Obama was born in Honolulu.

    The burden of proof resides firmly on Obama to authorize the release of official documents directly from the State of Hawaii to members of Congress.

    If everything is legitimate, there is no reason or excuse for Obama to not have authorized this release. And members of Congress did not honor their sworn oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States” when they did not insist on this proof directly from the State of Hawaii.

    No conspiracy necessary. They were just afraid of being called racists for not taking Annenberg Political Fact Check at their word. Even though Annenberg Political Fact Check demonstrably lied when they claimed

    FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate

    and

    The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

    Of course, the birth certificate is only part of the story. The other part is a Supreme Court ruling on the definition of “Natural Born Citizen”. Can a person born on U.S. soil, but born with foreign citizenship due to one or both parents being other than U.S. citizens, qualify as a “Natural Born Citizen”? The Supreme Court cannot remain silent on this issue.

  29. Math says:

    Actually Red, the burden of proof has shifted. He’s already president. Which means it is assumed that he IS eligible. It’s up to you to prove he is not.

  30. Ed Darrell
    2009/07/21 at 6:26pm

    1. No one has ever presented as much evidence to prove their birthplace and compliance under Article II before as Barack Obama did this time. Only racists and loonies argue against evidence the Constitution requires we give full faith and credit to.

    B.S.

    McCain produced his long-form birth certificate.

    Soetoro/Obama did not.

    And it is largely because they feared being branded “racists and loonies” that members of Congress took the word of Annenberg Political Fact Check instead of performing their own due diligence and upholding their sworn oath of office to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.

  31. Math says:

    You know, what it all comes down to is, he is President, and there is nothing you can do about it. You can deny this day and night for the next 3.5 years, it will not change that undeniable fact. And if the courts dismissal of every case so far are any indication, this fact will not be changed by an eligibility issue. If there was any real evidence, it would have been found by now.

    So you can either live unhappy for the next 3.5 years, whining and crying all the time, or just accept the inevitable.

    You’re a man of God, here’s a prayer for you:

    God grant me the serenity
    To accept the things I cannot change;
    Courage to change the things I can;
    And wisdom to know the difference.

  32. This issue will not go away.

    Quite to the contrary, every day more and more people are realizing that the document produced at the Obama Camapaign Headquarters in Chicago is merely a hardcopy of the photoshopped forgery that first appeared on Daily KOS.

    The State of Hawaii has never verified that authenticity of that forgery.

    The State of Hawaii has never released any documentation of Obama’s birth.

    The State of Hawaii has never claimed that Obama was “born in Honolulu”, even though the Associated Press and Fact Check.org lied and claimed that Dr. Fukino had said that.

    A newspaper announcement is circumstantial evidence that is not admissible as “proof” of his birth in Hawaii. Can you imagine a new employee trying to use a newspaper clipping as proof of their U.S. citizenship? It’s laughable. If that won’t work to get you a job at McDonalds, it’s certainly not acceptable for the highest office in this country.

    Every Member of Congress swore an Oath of office to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States”. The Constitution explicitly requires that a President be a Natural Born Citizen. It is the responsibility of Congress to honor their oath and verify the eligibility of the man who would be President.

    Every member of Congress failed to uphold their oath of office. They “outsourced” their Constitutional responsibility to an unaccountable, unelected, untrustworthy third party who demonstrably lied.

    Two things are required to put this to rest:

    1) A Supreme Court ruling on the definition of “Natural Born Citizen”. Can someone who was born with citizenship of another country (as Obama admits that he was) be considered a “Natural Born Citizen” of the United States?

    2) If the Supreme Court finds that persons born with foreign citizenship can still be considered a “Natural Born Citizen” of the United States, then Congress needs to inspect an officially certified birth certificate for Barack Obama, delivered directly to them under seal from the State of Hawaii, just as they did with their inspection of the Certificate from the Hawaiian Secretary of State for the certification of the Electoral College vote.

  33. Jonah says:

    If CNN’s latest revelations that the Hawaii Department of Health went paperless in 2001 (discarding the original birth certificate) are true, what sort of proof would satisfy you for #2? If the answer is “nothing”, are you suggesting that no one born in Hawaii is eligible for president from now on?

  34. Jonah,

    If CNN’s latest revelations that the Hawaii Department of Health went paperless in 2001 (discarding the original birth certificate) are true, what sort of proof would satisfy you for #2?

    If CNN’s latest revelations that the Hawaii Department of Health went paperless in 2001 (discarding the original birth certificate) are true, then what sort of proof did DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH DIRECTOR DR. CHIYOME FUKINO and the Registrar of Vital Statistics Alvin T. Onaka who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, inspect when they said they had:

    personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

    Note the nuance… it allows “wiggle room” to say later that they never actually saw Obama’s original birth certificate, but rather just saw records indicating that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record.

    What exactly did they see? And how could they possibly claim that members of the United States Congress, with a sworn oath to support the Constitution of the United States (including the eligibility requirements of our President), don’t have a “tangible interest in the vital record” of Obama’s birth?

    Fukino and Onaka, along with whoever produced a hardcopy of the photoshopped COLB first shown as a .jpg at Daily KOS, are the only people necessary for a “conspiracy”. Everyone else accepted the lies told by the Associated Press and Annenberg Political Fact Check.

    Dr. Fukino was very careful not to lie, but what she did not say is just as important as what she did say. She never said that the COLB produced at the Obama campaign headquarters in Chicago is authentic. She never said that Obama was born in Honolulu. What she did say is very vague, and protects herself if it is ever revealed that the COLB is fraudulent.

    DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
    News Release
    LINDA LINGLE
    GOVERNOR
    _______________________________________________
    CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D.
    DIRECTOR
    Phone: (808) 586-4410
    Fax: (808) 586-4444
    _______________________________________________

    For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93
    STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO
    “There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

    “Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

    “No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”

    ###
    For more information, contact:
    Janice Okubo
    Communications Office
    Phone: (808) 586-4442

    Oh, and Governor Lingle never saw the “original birth certificate on record”, but Dr. Fukino and the Registrar of Vital Statistics did. If they saw it, they can release it, under state seal, directly to members of the United States Congress, who have sworn an oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States” which explicitly requires that “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

    The Constitution itself differentiates “citizen” from “natural born Citizen” (only the latter is eligible to be President, unless you were the former in 1787).

    Each and every member of Congress has a sworn duty to ensure that the man known as Barack Hussein Obama II (also known as Barry Soetoro) was born a natural born Citizen of the United States of America, never held citizenship of any other country, and is at least 35 years old.

    Barack Hussein Obama II has already admitted that he was born a British subject.
    That alone is enough to disqualify him.

    But even those who do not understand or believe that being born a British subject prevents Obama from being a natural born Citizen of the United States of America…

    …and even those who do not understand or believe that Barack Hussein Obama became Indonesian citizen Barry Soetoro when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro…

    …must admit that members of Congress inspected an official document, delivered under seal directly from the Secretary of State of Hawaii, for the certification of the Electoral College vote, but…

    …members of Congress never inspected an official document, delivered under seal directly from the State of Hawaii, for the certification of the Barack Hussein Obama’s birth.

    By the way, the oath that every member of Congress has sworn, to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States”, has no expiration date. Just because Obama is already acting in the office of President and Commander in Chief doesn’t mean it is too late for members of Congress to uphold their oath and perform their Constitutional duty to ensure that the President is eligible to hold the office.

    And when they do, if it is revealed that Soetoro/Obama is NOT eligible, then both Soetoro/Obama and Nancy Pelosi should be impeached and convicted for the high crime of perjury.

  35. Nick Kelsier says:

    Itooktheredpill, here is the series of absolute irrefutable problems your contention has.

    1: The Republican Governor of Hawaii said the birth certificate is genuine.
    2: The head of the Hawaiian department of the state government that handles birth certificates says its genuine.
    3: John McCain’s campaign investigated the stupid charge and found it facetious.
    4: If there was any truth to it, the Republican National party would have used it during the campaign.
    5: There is no way in hell that “conspiracy” would ever get past the Secret Service and the FBI. What? You don’t think they investigate the backgrounds of Presidential candidates? What planet are you living on?
    6: You’re arguing that there is a 40+ year conspiracy going on to plant a “foreigner” as the President of the United States. In todays modern age there is no such thing as a conspiracy that large because as the adage goes the chances that a conspiracy will be kept secret is inversely proportionate to the number of people in on it.
    7: Why in hell would his mother engage in that conspiracy? For what reason? And how in hell did she get from Kenya to Hawaii in less then a day when travel from Kenya to Hawaii would have taken longer then that? What? She gave birth in Kenya and less then 24 hours was in Hawaii? Tell me, do you have children? How long was you or your spouse in the hospital after giving birth? And do remember this was back in the 60′s which means hospital stays would have been much longer.

    You say Obama hasn’t proved he is a natural born citizen. he has. He’s shown his birth certificate. Your claim has been debunked over and over and over again. It isn’t up to him to disprove your and your fellow birthers idiotic claims. It’s up to you nitwits to prove your claim..and you can’t. You have no evidence.

    So what this boils down to, child, is that you and your fellow birthers..are pissed off that a Democrat and a black man at that had the temerity to win the election. You just can’t believe that America would elect a Democrat..and a black one at that President. So instead of being rational human beings you want to delude yourselves into believing this idiotic evidenceless conspiracy theory.

    Your like the idiots who believe the Apollo moon landing was a hoax. Idiots are what you birthers are and idiots is what you will remain. You have no proof, you have no evidence. It is time that you and yours shut the hell up because you’re only disgracing yourselves.

  36. Nick Kelsier says:

    Just to add a bit to my one point. When my mom gave birth to me in 1975 she was in the hospital a week. And you want to pretend that a woman in Kenya, which is not exactly a match for our medical care now much less then, was discharged from a hospital in less time then that?

    Congratulations, you’ve let your racism and your anger at the person who won despite your not liking him drive you over the edge into pure insanity. You need mental help. You’re the one that needs to be “impeached.”

  37. Nick,

    1: The Republican Governor of Hawaii said the birth certificate is genuine.

    No, she didn’t. Her name is simply on the letterhead of the press release shown above. She tacitly accepts the statement made by Dr. Fukino.

    2: The head of the Hawaiian department of the state government that handles birth certificates says its genuine.

    No, she didn’t. Dr. Fukino’s statement in no way says that the CertificatION of Live Birth produced at the Obama campaign headquarters in Chicago is authentic, and in no way says that Obama was born in Honolulu.

    3: John McCain’s campaign investigated the stupid charge and found it facetious.

    No, they didn’t find it “facetious”. Provide a link to substantiate your claim. The truth is that McCain himself was born in Colon Hospital in Colon, Panama, so he was not born on U.S. soil and, while a U.S. citizen at birth, he is not a “natural born citizen” and is just as ineligible as Obama. Hence the McCain campaign had reasons of their own not to press this issue.

    4: If there was any truth to it, the Republican National party would have used it during the campaign.

    Many people were afraid to be labelled “racists” and/or “kooks”, and chose instead to trust the lies told by Annenberg Political Fact Check.

    5: There is no way in hell that “conspiracy” would ever get past the Secret Service and the FBI. What? You don’t think they investigate the backgrounds of Presidential candidates? What planet are you living on?

    What proof do you have that the Secret Service and the FBI investigated the background of Barry Soetoro/Barack Hussein Obama?

    I also remind you that Barack’s own campaign, via the “Fight the smears” web site, openly admitted that Barack was born a British subject.

    6: You’re arguing that there is a 40+ year conspiracy going on to plant a “foreigner” as the President of the United States. In todays modern age there is no such thing as a conspiracy that large because as the adage goes the chances that a conspiracy will be kept secret is inversely proportionate to the number of people in on it.

    Show me where I have ever said, “there is a 40+ year conspiracy going on to plant a “foreigner” as the President of the United States.”

    I do not know where Obama was born. His birth location has yet to be proven with certified authentic government documents. But Obama admitted that he was born a “foreigner”… a British subject. Do I think that there has been a 40+ year conspiracy going on to plant Obama as the President of the United States? No. But do I think that Obama was born to, raised by, and has chosen throughout his life to associate with Communists? Yes. His father wrote “Problems with our Socialism”. His grandfather introduced him to Frank Marshall Davis. Obama is “family friends” with self-admitted communist revolutionary Bill Ayers. Do I think that over the last year there has been a conspiracy to conceal the true contents of Obama’s original birth certificate and deceive the public? Yes.

    7: Why in hell would his mother engage in that conspiracy? For what reason? And how in hell did she get from Kenya to Hawaii in less then a day when travel from Kenya to Hawaii would have taken longer then that? What? She gave birth in Kenya and less then 24 hours was in Hawaii? Tell me, do you have children? How long was you or your spouse in the hospital after giving birth? And do remember this was back in the 60’s which means hospital stays would have been much longer.

    What proof do you have that Obama’s mother was in Hawaii less than 24 hours after Obama’s birth?

    A newspaper birth announcement is not proof of birth location. Any sensible person knows that. Several commenters at HotAir.com have given personal testimonies to how their birth was announced in newspapers in multiple different cities where their relatives lived. If a newspaper birth announcement were proof of birth location and citizenship, then it would be accpetable documentary evidence for an I-9 form. But it’s not, so it isn’t.

    You say Obama hasn’t proved he is a natural born citizen. he has. He’s shown his birth certificate.

    No, he has not shown his birth certificate (a CertificatE of Live Birth). He has shown a forged CertificatION of Live Birth to an unaccountable, unelected, untrustworthy third party.

    Your claim has been debunked over and over and over again.

    No, it hasn’t. Obama has never released a certified birth certificate directly from the State of Hawaii to members of Congress who have a sworn duty to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.

    It isn’t up to him to disprove your and your fellow birthers idiotic claims. It’s up to you nitwits to prove your claim..and you can’t. You have no evidence.

    Wrong. This is not “innocent until proven guilty”. This is “ineligible until proven eligible”.

    So what this boils down to, child, is that you and your fellow birthers..are pissed off that a Democrat and a black man at that had the temerity to win the election. You just can’t believe that America would elect a Democrat..and a black one at that President. So instead of being rational human beings you want to delude yourselves into believing this idiotic evidenceless conspiracy theory.

    So….you’re calling me a racist, right?

    Wow, that’s original… NOT!

    This has nothing to do with the color of Obama’s skin, and for you to insert race into this discussion highly suggests that you, not I, are the racist.

    So what this boils down to, child, is that I and my fellow birthers..are pissed off that the Democratic, Republican, and Socialist Worker’s parties all allowed men who are not natural born citizens, and therefore ineligible to hold the office of President and Commander-in-Chief, to be on the ballot as their Presidential nominee.

    Your like the idiots who believe the Apollo moon landing was a hoax.

    Hardly.

    Idiots are what you birthers are and idiots is what you will remain.

    Highly intellectual argument… NOT.
    When one can not argue intellectually, they resort to ad hominem attack, as you are here.

    You have no proof, you have no evidence.

    We have proof, from both the fact that Obama’s father was never a U.S. citizen and the confession on the “fight the smears” site, that Obama was born a British subject, and governed by British law.

    Yet we have no proof, no certified authentic evidence, that the man known as both Barack Hussein Obama and Barry Soetoro, was born on U.S. soil and didn’t change both his name and his citizenship when he was adopted by Indonesian citizen Lolo Soetoro.

    It is time that you and yours shut the hell up because you’re only disgracing yourselves.

    Those who can’t handle the truth,
    try to silence those who speak it.

    Just to add a bit to my one point. When my mom gave birth to me in 1975 she was in the hospital a week. And you want to pretend that a woman in Kenya, which is not exactly a match for our medical care now much less then, was discharged from a hospital in less time then that?

    Show me where I have ever said that. You are pretending I said things I haven’t said.

    Congratulations, you’ve let your racism and your anger at the person who won despite your not liking him drive you over the edge into pure insanity. You need mental help. You’re the one that needs to be “impeached.”

    Projection. Why don’t you take your accusations and look in the mirror to see to whom they apply…

  38. Jonah says:

    I’m sorry, but I don’t think you answered my question. If there is no original birth certificate (but merely an electronic record of the certificate), what evidence would you accept for #2?

  39. Jonah,
    Dr. Fukino released a statement on October 31, 2008 saying:
    “…I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

    How can you speculate that there is no original birth certificate, when the Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i announced that she had “personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record”?

  40. Now, to the question of “what evidence would you accept?”

    I would accept the certified authentic original birth certificate, delivered under seal directly from the State of Hawaii to a joint session of Congress, just as was done with the certified authentic certifications of the Electoral College vote, delivered under seal directly from the Secretary of State of Hawaii to a joint session of Congress.

    In addition, any member of Congress should be able to request a modern CertificatION of live Birth (COLB) for Barack Hussein Obama, delivered directly to them from the State of Hawaii.

    I firmly believe that the COLB produced at the Obama Campaign offices in Chicago is a forgery. It is nothing more than a hardcopy of the forgery that first appeared on Daily KOS.

    There is no reason to accept the word of the Obama campaign and Annenberg Political Fact Check.

    Congress needs to do their due diligence and have a certified authentic document delivered directly to them by the State of Hawaii.

    This is necessary, but not sufficient, to prove that Obama is eligible to hold the office of President. It is necessary to prove his birth location (and any claim at all to U.S. citizenship), but it is not sufficient to resolve other issues of British (proven) and Indonesian (likely) citizenship.

    The Supreme Court needs to consider the words of their first Chief Justice, written to our first President…

    On July 25th, 1787, John Jay wrote to George Washington, then Presiding Officer of the Constitutional Convention:

    “Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American Army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”

    John Jay was the First Chief Justice of the United States, among many other things, and it was this letter that caused Clause 5 of Article II to exist in our Constitution.

    Obama was born a British subject. That is an undisputed fact. This was openly admitted on the (now scrubbed!) Fight the Smears web site:

    “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

    Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

    Obama was born a British subject. That is an undisputed fact.

    Even if Obama was born in Hawaii (which he has yet to prove), even if his name was never legally changed to Barry Soetoro, even if his citizenship was never Indonesian, he was undoubtedly born a British subject, governed by British law.

    The Supreme court needs to rule on the definition of Natural Born Citizen, and whether someone born as a subject of another country can be considered a “natural born citizen” of the United States of America.

    One last time, in response to your question: “what evidence would you accept?”

    1) Obama would have to prove (with officially certified documents and a chain of custody that goes directly from the State of Hawaii to members of congress) that he was born on U.S. soil.

    -AND-

    2) The Supreme Court would have to directly contradict their first Chief Justice and say that a man born as a British subject, and not covered by the Constitution’s “grandfather clause” because he was not a U.S. citizen at the time of the Constitution’s ratification in 1787, is eligible to be President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief of our entire Armed Forces.

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  42. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen currently says:

    Róger Calero (born 1969) was born in Nicaragua and ran as the Socialist Worker’s Party presidential candidate in 2004 and 2008. In 2008, Calero appeared on the ballot in Delaware, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York and Vermont.[31]

    John McCain (born 1936), who ran for the Republican party nomination in 2000 and was the Republican nominee in 2008, was born of two U.S. citizen parents at the Submarine Base Hospital of the Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone.[32] The unincorporated territory Panama Canal Zone and its military facilities are not regarded as United States territory.[33] In March 2008 McCain was held eligible for Presidency in an opinion paper by former Solicitor General Ted Olson and Harvard Law Professor Laurence H. Tribe.[34] In April 2008 the U.S. Senate approved a non-binding resolution recognizing McCain’s status as a natural born citizen.[35] In September 2008 U.S. District Judge William Alsup stated obiter in his ruling that it is “highly probable” that McCain is a natural born citizen, although he acknowledged the possibility that the applicable laws had been enacted after the fact and applied only retroactively.[36] These views have been criticized by Gabriel J. Chin, Professor of Law at the University of Arizona, who argues that McCain was at birth a citizen of Panama and was only retroactively declared a born citizen under 8 U.S.C. § 1403, because at the time of his birth and with regard to the Canal Zone the Supreme Court’s Insular Cases overruled the Naturalization Act of 1795, which would otherwise have declared McCain a U.S. citizen immediately at birth.[37] Although the US Foreign Affairs Manual states that children born in the Panama Canal Zone at one point only became U.S. nationals,[38] it also states in general that “it has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural born citizen […]“.[39] In Rogers v. Bellei the Supreme Court only ruled that “children born abroad of Americans are not citizens within the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment”, and didn’t elaborate on the natural born status.[40][41]

    Barack Obama (born 1961), 44th president of the United States, was born in Honolulu, Hawaii to a U.S. citizen mother and a British subject father from the Kenya Colony of the United Kingdom. Before and after the 2008 presidential election, the argument was made that he was not a natural born citizen. On June 12, 2008, the Obama presidential campaign launched a website to counter what it described as smears by his opponents,[42] including these challenges to his eligibility. The most prominent issue raised against Obama was the claim that he was not actually born in Hawaii. In two other lawsuits, the plaintiffs argued that it was irrelevant whether he was born in Hawaii,[43] but argued instead that he was nevertheless not a natural born citizen because his citizenship at birth was, in part, determined by the British Nationality Act.[44] The relevant courts have either denied all applications or declined to render a judgment due to lack of jurisdiction. Some of the cases have been dismissed because of the plaintiff’s lack of standing.[19]

  43. John McCain was born of two U.S. citizen parents, but he was not born at the Submarine Base Hospital of the Coco Solo Naval Air Station. That hospital was not even built until after McCain’s birth.

    McCain’s birth certificate shows that he was born at Colon hospital in Colon, Panama.

    John McCain was born to two U.S. citizen parents, but on foreign soil.

    John McCain is not a “natural born citizen” of the United States, and no Senate resolution can magically make him one.

    John McCain is not eligible to be President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief of our Armed Forces.

    So where’s Nick to claim that I’m racist against white people?

  44. Ed Darrell,

    After navigating around the ad hominem attacks in your blog post, I think this is the simplest synopsis of our different viewpoints:

    1) You believe being born a U.S. citizen is sufficient to be a “natural born citizen” of the United States. I believe that being born on U.S. soil makes you a citizen of the U.S. (due to the 14th amendment), but does not automatically make you a “natural born citizen”. The Constitution, in Article II Section 1, makes a distinction between “natural born Citizen” and “Citizen” (the former is a subset of the latter, and the latter was only eligible if they were a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution (1787)). The Supreme Court has ruled on the term “Citizen” but has not ruled on the term “Natural Born Citizen”.

    2) You believe the COLB produced at the Obama Campaign Headquarters in Chicago was produced by the State of Hawaii. I don’t. I believe the Obama campaign “doubled down” on the fraudulent, photoshopped .jpg that was originally posted on Daily KOS and is no more authentic than the clearly forged COLB of “Haye I.B Ahphorgerie“ (“Hey! I Be A Forgery!“). I believe the Obama campaign created a hard copy of this fraudulent document, including a fraudulent raised seal. A very good way to end this half of the contoversy would be for a member of Congress to “Trust But Verify” and request a copy of Obama’s COLB directly from the State of Hawaii. If that COLB matches the COLB produced by the Obama campaign, great. If not, there will be hell to pay.

  45. Ed Darrell says:

    I think it’s amusing that people think that a campaign’s taking down its website is somehow sinister. Campaigns can’t go on forever, by law. FightTheSmears was always destined for the ash heap. Not only do the anti-Obamaites fail to understand contract law, evidence rules, and the law on citizenship, they have little understanding of political campaigns, campaign finance and campaign law.

    You can claim that document is a forgery, but you’ve never seen it. No person who saw the document claims it’s a forgery. In court, that document is self-proving, and when coupled with the newspaper accounts, which are also self-proving, it establishes solid proof of citizenship, that Obama was born in Honolulu.

    To overcome that evidence, you’d need very solid evidence of fraud on the part of the State of Hawaii dating back 48 years. That evidence will never be found, because it didn’t exist. There is no fraud.

    So you’re left defending the bizarre claim that Obama somehow is not a full natural born citizen because . . . well, just because. He was never under the jurisdiction of Britain, never pledged an oath to Britain, and dual citizenship cannot sever Obama from his mother. Here’s the case you’d have to overcome: A single mother, a U.S. citizen, gives birth in any U.S. state. Is her child a “natural born citizen?” The answer is, of course, “yes.”

    Should that hypothetical kid get more rights than Obama, simply because Obama’s father was known? Under the 14th Amendment, under the 5th Amendment, and under all citizenship decisions, the answer would be “no.”

    You can make calumnous claims against the Obama campaign all day long. But there is absolutely not an iota of corroborating evidence for your fantasy, and certainly nothing that could hold up in any evidentiary hearing. There is no witness to put Obama’s birth anywhere outside of Honolulu. There is no affidavit of a dead witness. There is no evidence of Obama’s mother being anywhere but Honolulu.

    You don’t have to believe it. Under the Constitution, you can believe any foolishness you please. But under the law, you may not disrespect the hard evidence, like the certificate under seal from the State of Hawaii.

  46. Róger Calero was born in 1969 in Nicaragua to parents who were not U.S. Citizens.

    Róger Calero is clearly not a natural born citizen of the United States, and clearly ineligible to hold the office of President and Commander-in-Chief of the United States.

    (Where’s Nick to claim that I’m racist against Nicaraguans?)

    Nevertheless, the ineligible Calero ran as the Socialist Worker’s Party presidential candidate in 2004 and 2008. In 2008, Calero appeared on the ballot in Delaware, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York and Vermont.

    Clearly, there is no process currently in place to keep ineligible candidates off of the Presidential ballot.

    Hence, it is up to the Congress to “Trust But Verify” the eligibility of the candidate selected by the Electoral College.

    Did even a single one of the 535 members of Congress request to see Obama’s original birth certificate? No. Each and every one of them “outsourced” this responsibilty to an unaccountable, unelected, untrustworthy third party.

    It’s time for members of Congress to honor their oath of office, “Trust But Verify”, and ask the State of Hawaii to directly send to them an officially certified copy of Obama’s Birth Certificate.

    It’s also time for members of Congress to honor their oath of office and ask the Supreme Court if someone born with foreign citizenship (even if they are born with “dual citizenship”) can be considered a “Natural Born Citizen” of the United States.

  47. I think it’s amusing that people think that a campaign’s taking down its website is somehow sinister. Campaigns can’t go on forever, by law. FightTheSmears was always destined for the ash heap.

    If it was merely FightTheSmears going away, I’d agree with you.

    But how do you explain that they also managed to scrub all historical record of FightTheSmears from the Internet Archive?

    This isn’t just a campaign ending issue.
    This is a “destroy all the evidence” issue.

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