Consider This…

Obama’s grandmother said she was present at the birth [in Kenya] of her grandson Barack. The Kenyan government then put a gag order on Obama’s family.

The day after the election, the Kenyan ambassador to the U.S. admitted that Barack’s Kenyan birth is “well known in Kenya”.

The day after the election, the Kenyan National Assemby said:

…the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country

…the people of the United States of America have just had a historic election where the son of this soil, Barrack Hussein Obama, has been elected the 44th President of the United States of America…

we are the home of the President-elect of the USA…

The Kenyan National Assemby later scrubbed that record from their web site.

The only “birth document” that the Obama campaign ever produced was pronounced a forgery by document experts, and never “validated” by the state of Hawaii.

No official birth document for Barack Obama has ever been released by the state of Hawaii.

Hawaiian officials have never put out an official statement saying that Obama was born in Hawaii.

In each of the 50 states, the Secretary of State took Nancy Pelosi’s word (!) that Barack Obama was legally qualified under the Constitution of the United States to hold the office of President and Commander-in-Chief.

The Associated Press lied.

Annenberg Political Fact Check lied.

Members of Congress “outsourced” the responsibility of validating Soetoro/Obama’s eligibility, and accepted the lies told by the Associated Press and Annenberg Political Fact Check.

Google Obama Annenberg.

Barack Obama has significant connections to Annenberg.

The COLB was produced at the Obama campaign offices, not released by the State of Hawaii.

The State of Hawaii never verified the COLB.

The only group that was allowed to examine the paper COLB was Annenberg Political Fact Check.

Annenberg Political Fact Check proceeded to make two demonstrably false statements.

Senators and Representatives “outsourced” the verification of Obama’s birth certificate, by accepting Annenberg Political Fact Check’s lies as truth.

Here is the actual text of a letter I received from one of my Senators:

Thank you for contacting me about President-Elect Barack Obama’s citizenship. I appreciate knowing your concerns.

The Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution states that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.” Hawaii became a territory of the United States in 1898 and was officially admitted as a State in 1959.

It is my understanding that President-Elect Obama has released an official copy of his birth certificate. Since he was born in 1961 in Hawaii, he is eligible under the Constitution to run for and hold the office of President of the United States. In addition, President-Elect Obama’s birth records have been certified and validated by the Hawaii Department of Health as well as by experts from the University of Pennsylvania. The U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear the case and agreed with the lower courts’ rulings that the plaintiffs lacked standing to bring the legal challenges questioning President-Elect Obama’s citizenship.

Again, thank you for contacting me. Should you have any additional questions or comments, please do not hesitate to let me know or visit my website at …

The “experts from the University of Pennsylvania” were Annenberg Political Fact Check.

Obama has never authorized the release of an official copy of his birth certificate.

Obama’s birth location has been NEVER been “certified” or “validated” by the Hawaii Department of Health.

Congress examined official, certified documents from the Secretary of State from each of the 50 states. Those were the certifications of the Electoral College vote.

Is it too much to ask for our Congress to examine one more certificate… the officially certified birth certificate of the man who wants to be President and Commander-in-Chief?

Lastly, the 14th amendment defines citizenship, not “natural born citizen”ship. And to quote Leo Donofrio:

According to Chief Justice Marshall’s opinion in Marbury v. Madison, the 14th amendment cannot make the natural born citizen clause from Article 2 Section 1 superfluous. If being born as a 14th Amendment citizen was enough to be President, then the natural born citizen clause would have no effect. According to Marshall, that argument is inadmissible.

Natural born citizenship is different from mere citizenship.

Again from Leo Donofrio:

Let’s take a look at Vattel’s famous text:

§ 212. Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.

Two different sentences. Two different civil groups are being discussed.

Examine the subject heading given by Vattel, “Natives and Citizens”. Two separate groups of the civil society are addressed in the heading. And here is the start of the greatest proof that the framers relied on Vattel as to the natural born citizen clause.

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79 Responses to Consider This…

  1. YouShouldTakeAChillPill says:

    It’s on YouTube so it’s gotta be true.

  2. Jax says:

    Hm. Let’s look at the rest of the transcript:

    MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

    OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

    MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

    OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

    MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

    OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

    Gosh, it’s weird that you left that part out, Red. It’s almost like you were deliberately obscuring the truth. Wow, those remarks from the Kenyan National Assembly are pretty damning… you know, if calling someone with ancestral ties to a country a “son of” that country weren’t a fairly common figure of speech. How many times have you heard JFK referred to as a “son of Ireland”?

    Wait a second, in fact…!

    There! At 2:53! My god, it’s all true! Obama wasn’t born in Kenya at all, he was born in Ireland! The Irish president said so! Get the torches and pitchforks!

  3. Jax says:

    Let me ask you a question, Red, and I’m honestly curious here. In order to prove your theory, you lie, you obscure facts, you take quotes out of context. You choose as your associates a former-Soviet dentist who got her law degree from an unaccredited online course, a 9/11 truther and one of the biggest practitioners of nuisance lawsuits in the United States. How in God’s name do you see yourself as the good guy here?

  4. Math says:

    [audio src="http://s16v.com/americasright/8167169.wma" /]

    The full tape without the creative editing in Red’s version. As if it was not obvious enough he was trying to entrap her, you can hear him hold a laugh in when she supposedly says she was present when he was born in Kenya (which the rest of the tape very clearly proves she was not)

  5. Math,
    From the audio you linked, it is unclear whether it is Barack’s grandmother or her handlers, who are saying he was born in Hawaii. It is my understanding that Berg’s lawsuit includes a signed affidavit from someone who was on the Kenyan end of that conversation, who says that Barack’s grandmother was insistent that she was there at Barack’s birth in Kenya, and the handlers were the ones who understood the implications of this and isisted Barack was born in Hawaii.

  6. AFFIDAVIT OF REVEREND KWELI SHUHUBIA

    It’s interesting that those wishing to block access to obamacrimes.info have had it blocked by reporting it as “tasteless” to Internet filtering software Safe Eyes. If you are blocked from accessing that affidavit, it is archived here.

  7. May 20, 2009 at 3:14 pm
    Jax Says:

    Let me ask you a question, Red, and I’m honestly curious here. In order to prove your theory, you lie…

    No, I’m not lying. I’m choosing to believe the sworn affidavit of an ordained minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ and a native evangelist and translator for the Anabaptist churches in Kenya. He declared under the penalty of perjury of the laws of the United States, that the foregoing is true and correct.

    Now, Nancy Pelosi swore before a Notary Public that Barack Obama is legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution. Yet Nancy Pelosi never requested to see Obama’s original Birth Certificate from the State of Hawaii.

    Now Pelosi is lying about what the CIA briefed her.

    I think Reverend Kweli Shuhubia is a more trustworthy source than Nancy Pelosi.

  8. Transparency — President Obama has committed to making his administration the most open and transparent in history

    So, why won’t Obama be open and transparent and authorize the state of Hawaii to release of his original long-form birth certificate?

  9. Jax says:

    I know what you choose to believe, Red. And in service to that belief, you lie, obscure the truth and take quotes out of context.

    Never mind that Kweli Shuhubia was paid by “Bishop” McRae (self-proclaimed bishop, by the way. I could literally be just as much of a holy man as McRae by insisting that people start calling me Bishop) to investigate Obama’s records, to dig up any proof to dismiss this ludicrous theory and dismiss any evidence to the contrary. And what proof did he come up with? Nothing. A sworn affidavit on his own behalf that contradicts the story of every other person in that room.

    Now, to you that lack of any evidence whatsoever suggests a grand and complicated conspiracy, Red, because you’re a crazy person. And that’s fine, but you still have to look at yourself in the mirror in the morning and realize you have repeated things that you knew to be untrue, obscured any facts that didn’t agree with you and taken quotes out of context because… why? The ends justify the means? The “ends” that you’re looking for will never, ever happen. Not ever. I’m just trying to soften the blow for you when Obama gets re-elected, because I’m worried you’re going to go a little loopy.

  10. …in service to that belief, you lie, obscure the truth and take quotes out of context…you have repeated things that you knew to be untrue, obscured any facts that didn’t agree with you and taken quotes out of context because… why? The ends justify the means?

    I think you have me confused with someone else.

    I’ll take the sworn affidavit of an ordained minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ over the word of someone who has repeatedly lied about what the Bible says.

    If someone will lie about the Bible, they’ll lie about anything.

  11. Jax says:

    No, I don’t. Just because the other side has lied at some point doesn’t make it better when you do it. Besides, he lied in the first five words of that deposition. Kweli Shuhubia is a fake name. You have no evidence that a he is a reverend, ordained or otherwise.

    All you know is that an American conspiracy theorist, a self-proclaimed Bishop never ordained by any church (how’s that for lying about the Bible) paid an unknown African man to produce documents linking Barack Obama to Kenya. He failed at that, so he swore out an affidavit of pure heresay, inadmissible in any court, with the knowledge that as a foreign citizen he will never be prosecuted for false statements. That about sum it up?

  12. Anyone who believes in “transparency” should ask their representative to cosponsor H.R. 1503.

  13. Ryan says:

    Stop dodging the issue here Red. You deliberately trimmed out the parts of the transcript that did not agree with your beliefs. If Obama did that in trying to make a point, you would overload WordPress with your rants about it.

    Your case is not only wrong – it’s dishonest.

  14. Ryan,

    The issue here is Obama’s (in)eligibility. The ones dodging the issue are Obama and his supporters.

    You deliberately trimmed out the parts of the transcript that did not agree with your beliefs.

    While I did link to that YouTube video, I am not the author of it and I did not “deliberately trim out parts of the transcript”.

    I was unaware of the longer audio until Math linked to it. But the longer audio is in synch with the video I linked up until the point where the video stops. There is nothing “trimmed out” of the middle. After the video ends, the audio continues and does contradict the earlier statement. The only way to know for sure if it was Barack’s grandmother, or her handlers, who was contradicting the earlier statement, is to have actually been in the room on the Kenyan end of that phone call. You weren’t there, and I wasn’t there. But there is a legal affidavit of someone who says he was there. There is nothing dishonest about my believing that legal affidavit.

    Let’s return to the central issue here: Obama’s (in)eligibility.

    Don’t you think that Obama should keep his promise to be “open, transparent, and accountable”?

    Why hasn’t he been “open, transparent, and accountable” about his own records?

    Why hasn’t he released his original Birth Certificate?

  15. Math says:

    Red: because he doesn’t need to. The people whose duty it was to establish his eligibility were satisfied with the evidence he provided that he is eligible, and as such he was sworn in as President. It’s a done deal. And it’s a deal that will be renewed for four more years in 2012.

    There’s a difference between government transparency and private life transparency. I fully agree on Obama’s stance on principle grounds.

  16. Math,

    Don’t you find it odd that Hawaiian Secretary of State took Nancy Pelosi’s word that Obama was legally qualified under the Constitution of the United States to hold the office of President?

    The document produced at Obama’s campaign headquarters was never certified as authentic by the State of Hawaii.

    Neither Nancy Pelosi nor the Hawaiian Secretary of State ever examined the Birth Certificate on file in Hawaii.

    And members of Congress accepted the lies of the Associated Press and Annenberg Political Fact Check.

    Let me ask you this:
    Do you support H.R. 1503?
    Why or why not?

  17. Math says:

    I do not really care about the bill honestly. This is a strictly domestic business that would not affect me as a Canadian.

    What I can say about this bill is this. If ever this manages to land on Obama’s desk, you can expect a certain veto. If he’s not a citizen, he’s protecting his ass, if he is a citizen, it would be a logical continuation of the same principles for which he’s refusing to disclose it now. Of course people like you would assume the former, but he would still be in his letigimate right to veto the bill.

  18. Me:

    Why hasn’t he been “open, transparent, and accountable” about his own records?

    Why hasn’t he released his original Birth Certificate?

    Math:

    Red: because he doesn’t need to. The people whose duty it was to establish his eligibility were satisfied with the evidence he provided that he is eligible, and as such he was sworn in as President. It’s a done deal. And it’s a deal that will be renewed for four more years in 2012.

    Me:

    Do you support H.R. 1503?
    Why or why not?

    Math:

    I do not really care about the bill honestly. This is a strictly domestic business that would not affect me as a Canadian.

    NOW you tell me that you are a Canadian. You aren’t even eligible to vote in this country, but you are happy to say that Obama doesn’t have to show an original birth certificate.

    Do I think the bill has a chance of being passed by a Democratic House, Democratic Senate, and signed by a Democratic President?
    Not likely, but I would like to see who is willing to cosponsor it and show who really supports “open, transparent, and accountable” government, and who does not.

    The Democrats accused the Republicans of a “Culture of Corruption”.

    The Democrats accused the Republicans of being too secretive.

    Now, we see the truth… the Democrats are using projection… the Democrats are much more guilty of a “Culture of Corruption” and being too secretive.

    For the U.S. Citizens out there who voted for Obama, what CHANGE did you HOPE he would bring?

    Has Obama lived up to your expectations?

    Are you happy with what he has CHANGEd and what he hasn’t?

    There are a lot of things that Obama promised to CHANGE that he hasn’t changed… i.e., he is doing a lot of things just like Bush.

    Closing thoughts…this just came to me… I’m thinking about the role that falsified documents played in both of the last two elections…
    in 2004, it was the fraudulent “Bush National Guard” memos intended to sway the election to Kerry (whose own purple heart medals are highly questionable)… in 2008 it was the fraudulent COLB that first showed up on Daily KOS and then was made into a hard copy at the Obama campaign offices in a successful attempt to “prove” Obama was born in Hawaii.

  19. Frin says:

    Mr Pill,

    You’re a joke – here are your “reliable sources”;

    Reverend Kweli Shuhubia – thats not even his real name. His affadavit is worthless, and contains the glaring ommissions that Jax pointed out above.

    Ron McRae – from the Street Preachers Fellowship: here’s just a taste of his work:

    “The Street Preachers’ Fellowship traveled again to the Nation’s capital to preach to the NOW Parade of rebellious women, made up of 250,000 witches, whores, wackos and weight lifters who failed at being women. No commentary is needed to describe the ridiculous onslaught of failed feminism that marched through the streets of Washington, D.C. trying to be anything but a “Lady”. ”

    Yep he sure is going to come across as a completely reliable witness isn’t he?

    Polarik – again a fake name, a fake resume that keeps on changing, and a bunch of dodgy “scientific” analysis on a image posted on the internet, which is worthless because an scan of a COLB would not be used to verify eligibilty.

    Do you understand that NONE of the “evidence” that Berg has identified is admissable in court? IT IS ALL HEARSAY!

    Moving on to the legal heavyweights fighting the good fight for you:

    Lawyer Berg – an ethically challenged lawyer who has been sanctioned by the PA court, and forced to attend court ordered ethics training, and who is currently undergoing bankruptcy hearings. His submissions to the court contain outright lies, such as the one which says Indonesian law can revoke a 6 year old boy’s American citizenship.

    Lawyer Orly – who got her degree from on online university which is only recognised by the CA Bar, has made a habit of stalking Supreme Court justices and also made a habit of calling for military people to disobey lawful general orders. She hasn’t managed to file anything even remotely resembling a coherent case.

    And the funniest thing about this whole farcial movement – your two legal heavyweights are fighting each other! Berg is suing Orly! Please hit the paypal button to donate to their cause!

    Its pathetic really, that you are so happy to believe the lies and BS that are produced by the cast of jokers involved in this farce; you don’t question their credibility at all – even though its clear that you are being duped by a bunch of swindlers and frauds. You then refuse to believe anything Obama has said even though it is clearly more legitimate than anything the birthers can ever dream up.

  20. Ryan says:

    Mr. Pill, stop pretending that you did not know about the rest of the transcript from Obama’s grandmother. It has been mentioned here many times before. You know about it, but still use the trimmed video back up your opinion.

    How can you call that honest and transparent?

    I am satisfied that Obama is qualified. Am I happy with what he has done in office? Frankly no, I’m not entirely satisfied. I’m actually pretty mad at him for a few reasons. Those are things I’m happy to discuss. But this citizenship stuff is really really dumb, and makes me question your intelligence.

  21. Frin,

    Your comment is a case study in “the politics of personal destruction”.

    Ryan,

    I honestly don’t remember any former mention of the longer recording. But the legal affidavit gives an account of why the longer recording contains conflicting statements. Let a court rule on it.

    The two of you can say, “You’re a joke” and “this citizenship stuff is really really dumb, and makes me question your intelligence.”

    But the fact remains that Obama never released his original Birth Certificate.

    The fact remains that Dr. Fukino never said that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    The fact remains that Dr. Fukino never said that “Certification of Live Birth” that Obama produced at his campaign headquarters in Chicago is authentic.

    The fact remains that Obama was born a British citizen… a fact that he himself acknowledges.

    The fact remains that Obama’s father was never a U.S. Citizen.

    The fact remains that 29 years before our Constitution was written, Swiss legal philosopher Emmerich de Vattel wrote a work that is of special importance to scholars of constitutional history and law, for it was read by many of the Founders of the United States of America, and informed their understanding of the principles of law which became established in the Constitution of 1787. The fact remains that Vattel said

    The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.

    The fact remains that at least one of the members of the current U.S. Supreme Court (Justice Scalia) has referrenced Vattel in recent Court decisions.

    The fact remains that the U.S. Supreme Court has never defined the meaning of “natural born citizen”. If the Court were to find that the founders intent was Vattel’s definition, then Obama would clearly not be qualified to hold the office of President.

    Obama claims that he is qualified under the 14th Amendment, but the 14th Amendment defines “citizen”, not “natural born citizen”. There is a difference between the two, as evidenced in Section 2.

    I repeat something I said above:
    The fact remains that Dr. Fukino never said the “Certification of Live Birth” that Obama produced at his campaign headquarters in Chicago is authentic.

    The only document Obama ever produced has not been validated by the state of Hawaii, and the only party to examine it, Annenberg Political Fact Check, lied about what they inspected (claiming it was “the original birth certificate”) and lied about what Dr. Fukino said (claiming “the director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.”)

    If you are “satisfied” with those lies, I question your intelligence.

  22. Ryan says:

    Mr Pill,

    I think you knew about the long form of the recording. If you didn’t know, then I suppose you will reconsider your conclusion based on this “new” evidence. If you don’t reconsider after hearing the long version, then either you lack intelligence or integrity. If you knew all along, then you lack both.

    I know you are reading our posts on this topic, but you are not listening to what we are saying. I’ve told you so many times why you are wrong about this. I’m not going into the Hawaii stuff again. I explained it all to you, and you just don’t understand. You are wrong in your interpretation of the 14th amendment, and Obama being allowed to become president proves that.

    Arguing with someone who is not willing to look at anything but his own ideas is boring. If I wanted to hang around with people who won’t listen to reason, I’d be going to church.

  23. Frin says:

    Mr Pill,

    Nice way to dodge the issues that I pointed out – that there is no evidence at all to support your case that would be admissable in court. And that the only “lawyers” willing to take on your case are shysters and incompetent. And that you are not willing to apply the same burden of proof to the people on your side of the story as you insist on applying to Obama.

    Every single one of your posts on this issue is a classic case of denial.

    Hawaii has said that they hold his original birth certificate.
    The only way they can hold his original birth certificate is if he was born in Hawaii. If he was born anywhere else the best Hawaii would hold is an extract from his original certificate.

    Can you explain that one away?

  24. The only way they can hold his original birth certificate is if he was born in Hawaii.

    False.

    Because Hawaii became a state in 1959, for a period of time they allowed even people not born in Hawaii to get a Hawaiian certificate. Let’s see that proof of birth hospital and signature of attending physician. There is simply no excuse for Obama’s subterfuge.

    And speaking of court cases…

    As an attorney, I facilitated a lawsuit (Hollister vs. Soetoro et al.) in the United States District Court (D.C. Circuit) demanding that Obama produce his birth certificate or satisfactory substitute evidence. There are about 20 similar lawsuits across the nation. In my case, U.S. District Court Judge Robertson (a Clinton appointee), who summarily dismissed the case, and is rumored to be seeking an Obama appointment, wrote that Obama’s eligibility had been “blogged, texted, twittered, and otherwise massaged by America’s vigilant citizenry.” In other words, he accepted internet “blogs” in lieu of actual evidence.

    He ordered me to “show cause” why I should not be sanctioned for promotion of a “frivolous” lawsuit. (It is significant that, although dismissed, none of the twenty odd similar legal actions have been designated by the responsible judge as “frivolous.”)

    Other lawsuits have usually been dismissed for “lack of standing” including a lawsuit brought by Presidential candidate, Ambassador Alan Keyes. If anyone has standing, it is an actual Presidential contender. I provided Judge Robertson 37 pages of explanation as to “why I should not be held in contempt” and he decided to “reprimand” me instead of his threatened sanctions. That case is now under appeal.

    Any rational person with even partial knowledge of the facts must know that Obama-cum-Soetoro is desperate to conceal something he does not want known. I believe he is hiding the fact that he and his campaign conspired to assert eligibility for the Presidential office to which he well may not be entitled. In other parts of the world, this would be known as a coup d’etat.

  25. Frin says:

    Mr Pill,

    I’m going to spell it out in the most simple form for you – and I really hope you have enough integrity and intelligence to consider these points:

    The law allowing registration of foreign birth in Hawaii was NOT ENACTED when Obama was born. It was enacted in 1982. You have been told this before, and yet again you persist in perpetuating this falsehood. Its not very Christian of you to lie.

    IF Obama was born in Kenya, then his ORIGINAL birth certificate would be in Kenya. Hawaii could NOT say that they held his original certificate – they would hold an extract of the original, and use that to generate the certificate.

    Even ignoring your blatently false assertion that Hawaii allowed registration of foreign birth when Obama was born, the location of birth on his Certificate would say KENYA, not Honolulu.

  26. Frin,

    Barry Soetoro’s half-sister, the second child of Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro, Maya, was born in Indonesia, yet Stanley had her birth registered in Hawaii. How do you explain that away?

    When Barry was adopted by Lolo, a copy of Barry’s original birth certificate was likely sealed in Hawaii, and a new birth certificate, with the last name Soetoro, issued.

    The only document that claims Obama was born in Honolulu is the COLB that was produced at the Obama campaign headquarters, a hard copy of a clearly fraudulent photoshopped COLB (no more legitimate than “Haye I.B. Ahphorgerie” [Hey! I be a forgery!]). That document has never been validated by the state of Hawaii, and it is ludicrous to accept it as valid.

    There has not been any official statement or document issued by the state of Hawaii claiming that Barry was born in Honolulu.

  27. Frin says:

    Mr Pill,

    Another claim with NO EVIDENCE!

    Show me Maya’s Hawaiian birth certificate. I don’t want a reference to HotAir, or WND – I want to see her Hawaiian birth certificate. I bet you can’t find it.

    And again – you’re basing your claims of a photoshopped COLB on who? The anonymous and unverifiable Polarik? Again with your double-standards.

  28. Ryan says:

    Mr. Pill,

    I’m sorry, but I’m done here. You have been shown beyond any fraction of a doubt that your assertions are ludicrous. You refuse to accept solid evidence, and bring forward pie in the sky ideas about what you assume must have happened. You do nothing but point to blogs that are written by people with such a pure hatred for this man, that they will write anything, true or not about Obama.

    As Frin has pointed out, you are once again using long refuted claims about Obama’s birth records.

    You are being dishonest, and it’s obviously intentional. Good luck with your conspiracy. Don’t let it consume you – you will regret it.

  29. Ryan,

    I wish you well. But before you go…

    Imagine two white supremacists, one with a night stick, in front of a voting precinct, and one of them says to a black observer,

    “You are about to be ruled by the white man, nigger.”

    And then McCain wins the election and has his DOJ drop the already won case against these white supremacists.

    How do you think that would go down?

    The reality is that this situation is NO DIFFERENT.
    It’s only the skin color that has been reversed.

    So, who are the haters?

  30. Currently the most commented discussion on Fox Nation:

    Should Obama Release Birth Certificate?

  31. Frin says:

    So, have you found Maya’s Hawaiian birth certificate yet?

  32. So, have you found Barack’s Hawaiian birth certificate yet?

  33. Math says:

    Red, it must really kill you that one of your idol (if the number of times you quote her is any indication) thinks you’re nuts for pursuing this.

    http://michellemalkin.com/2008/12/05/truthers-to-the-left-of-me-truthers-to-the-right/

  34. Math,

    No, it doesn’t “kill me”.

    There are literally hundreds of thousands of people on both the left (PUMA Democrats) and right who want:

    Certified proof from the State of Hawaii showing that Barack Hussein Obama II was born there.

    Many of those hundreds of thousands also want:

    1) Certified proof from the State of Hawaii showing that Barack Hussein Obama II did not have his name legally changed by his mother and step-father to “Barry Soetoro”. (If his name was legally changed, then he committed perjury when swearing his name is Barack Hussein Obama)

    2) Certified proof from the State Department showing that Barack Hussein Obama II travelled under a U.S. passport (and not “Barry Soetoro” travelling under an Indonesian passport) when he went to Pakistan as an adult.

    And many of those hundreds of thousands also want:

    A Supreme Court ruling on the meaning of “natural born citizen”. If the court rules in favor of Vattel’s definition, then Obama is not qualified to hold the office of President based on his (and his father’s) British citizenship at the time of his birth.

    It must really kill you that these issues are still hotly contested, and won’t just go away.

  35. New bid to unseal Obama’s birth certificate

    CONCLUSION

    Barack Obama is president of the United States. His records while living in Hawai’i are the now records of American history (as they were on November 19, 2008 when the “hearing” in this case was conducted). To claim that Hawai’i wants to protect the “privacy” of presidential records is an obviously absurd position that brings the judicial system into disrepute.

    Secrecy laws were intended to protect the privacy of private citizens, not presidents. As a newspaper article submitted separately to this Court through the Clerk suggests, the president does not have traditional or standard privacy rights. Even if those privacy rights existed as to intimate matters, such as a loathsome disease or other issues traditionally taught in law school, “privacy” as a concept cannot logically be stretched to include restriction of historical access to a neutral and objective document: a birth certificate.

    Most respectfully, this Court is asked to reverse the action of the trial court, and to decide the merits of Appellant’s claims by directing prompt release of any and all Hawai’i records concerning the president of the United States.

  36. Jax says:

    No, there are hundreds of thousands of people who don’t want Barack Obama to be President right now, and will pursue any crackpot theory that will get them to their goal. These hundreds of thousands of people got their chance to have their voices heard in the general election, and their candidate lost.

    There are hundreds of thousands of people who want to sleep with Megan Fox tonight (and trust me, that issue ain’t going away soon either.) They only difference between your group and them is that there’s probably a 4 or 5 people in the Megan Fox camp who actually have a slight chance of making it happen.

  37. Before the election, Obama sold a lot of people on the lie that he represented open, transparent, and accountable government.

    The day he took office, he issued a statement saying:

    President Obama has committed to making his administration the most open and transparent in history, and WhiteHouse.gov will play a major role in delivering on that promise.

    On May 21st, he issued a statement saying:

    I ran for President promising transparency, and I meant what I said. And that’s why, whenever possible, my administration will make all information available to the American people so that they can make informed judgments and hold us accountable.

    Dr. Fukino didn’t lie, but she didn’t tell the whole truth, either, and her statement was intended to leave room for deception.

    The Associated Press LIED.
    Annenberg Political Fact Check LIED.
    Now the President’s Press Secretary LIED.

    There has never been a certified copy of Obama’s long-form Birth Certificate released by the State of Hawaii. It is NOT “available on the Internet”. The document that Gibbs referrs to was NOT “provided by the State of Hawaii, with a seal”. It was produced by the Obama campaign, and only shown to a politically-connected group (Annenberg) that then LIED about what they had inspected and LIED about what Dr. Fukino in Hawaii said.

    There is nothing “crackpot” about expecting openness, honesty, and transparency in our government. There is nothing “crackpot” about expecting the President of the United States to follow the law and fill out an I-9 form to prove citizenship, like every new employee in the USA is legally required to do.

  38. Jax says:

    What??? Why have you never mentioned this new information before?

  39. The truth will come out. Eventually.
    And it will be ugly when it does.

  40. Jax says:

    The truth is out. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is President. Things ARE ugly, no thanks to eight years of incompetent leadership up until now. But no, there aren’t going to be any race wars or military coups to remove Barack Obama from the Presidency. No other countries are going to step in or magical legal documents are going to come out that will undo the mandate of the American electorate. At all. This will not happen.

    You are confusing tyranny with LOSING. Your side lost. You get another chance in a year and a half at the Congress, and in three and a half at the Presidency. I know, you got kind of spoiled when the country elected a guy twice who shared exactly your belief system, despite him being terrible at the job. But reality doesn’t change because you stamp your feet, hold your breath until your face turns blue and pout.

  41. It will be ugly when the truth comes out because this is
    the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the American people.

    This is several orders of magnitude worse than Watergate.

    I’m not in favor of race riots, but they may happen if Obama (who appears to be the most racist President of the last 100 years) encourages them. I ask you to seriously consider the racist message Obama’s DOJ is sending.

    It is highly questionable whether or not Obama won the election honestly. Fraud was rampant through ACORN, and credit card security was turned off, meaning that millions of illegal, untraceable donations could have flooded into Obama’s coffers.

    This isn’t about “LOSING” or being a sore loser. This is about honesty, integrity, openness, and accountability in our government.

    I have made it clear that I do not believe John McCain was qualified as a “Natural Born Citizen”, either. He was born in a hospital in Colon, Panama. He was not born on U.S. Territory. And a resolution of Congress can’t magically make him a “Natural Born Citizen” just by their declaration.

    I’ve also made it clear that President Bush did not “share exactly my belief system”. I spoke out about Socialist moves that Bush made, just as I have with Obama.

    We only “get another chance” in 2010 and 2012 if those elections are honest. There are many reasons to believe that the 2008 elections were not honest, and if things don’t change it doesn’t give “We the People” much faith in their ability to change those in power.

    There are many people, on both the left and the right, who regret voting for Obama. They aren’t sore losers. They realize that they were fooled, and they won’t be fooled again.

  42. Jax says:

    There are many reasons to suspect the 2000 election was not honest. There are many reasons to suspect the 2004 election was not honest. Name me any election, I’m not lying, any one in the entirety of American history, and I’ll tell you the voting scandal. And even if there weren’t “many reasons” fed to you by the right wing blogosphere, you would still believe it was rigged because you believe ideology over facts. You don’t want Obama to be President, ergo Obama cannot be President. It’s an awfully self-centered viewpoint, Red.

    I’ve explained this to you before, Red. The ACORN thing was so the right wing could make noise about voter fraud if Obama won by only a few votes, but he didn’t. He won by a decisive margin. ACORN was a controversy over voter registration, meaning that even if Mickey Mouse had registered to vote in the presidential election, he would have had to show up with some mouse-y identification to actually cast his vote.

    Anyway, I think you right-wingers kind of like being out of power. It gives you a chance to whine about how oppressed you are and how racist everyone else is. You know, exactly like you’ve been accusing liberals of doing for the past thirty years.

  43. You don’t want Obama to be President, ergo Obama cannot be President.

    Utterly false and dishonest. If Obama is Constitutionally eligible, and won the election honestly and fairly, then he has every right to be President.

    None of my points center on a dislike of Obama. They center on honest, transparent, and accountable government.

    Every day, more people wake up to the fact that Obama is not who he claimed to be.

    Truth will out.

  44. Jax says:

    Then where was your website on the doubts of the 2000 election? Link, please.

  45. I started blogging in September 2006.

    My doubts of the 2000 election were whether or not the Democrats were going to succeed in stealing the election.

    Bush won Florida fairly in 2000, and again in 2004.

    I’m done “conversing” with you tonight.

    Over and out.

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