Trust, But Verify

Our Senators and Representatives in Congress are trusting two things:

1) Barack Hussein Obama II was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961.

2) Barack Hussein Obama II’s British citizenship at birth, which he openly admits he received from his British subject father, does not prevent him from being a “natural born citizen” of the United States.

I respectfully ask all Senators and Representatives to Trust, but Verify those two things:

1) Ask to see the orginal vault CertificatE of Live Birth (not the 2007 CertificatION of Live Birth) delivered directly from the State of Hawaii, not the Obama campaign.  Verify that Barack Hussein Obama II was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961.

2) Ask the Supreme Court to rule on the definition of “natural born citizen”.  I.e., does the Supreme Court define “natural born citizen” the way Vattel did in 1758, the founders did in 1787 when they wrote Article II Section 1, and the way the author of the 14th Amendment did when he wrote the 14th Amendment?  That is, is it a requirement for both of your parents to be citizens of the United States at the time of your birth in order for you to be considered a “natural born citizen”.

natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

All Senators and Representatives have sworn an oath of office, before God and man, to support and defend the Constitution of the United Sates.  That includes supporting and defending this section of the 20th Amendment:

if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

It is the President elect’s responsibility to prove that they qualify

It is Barack Hussein Obama II’s responsibility to prove, via his original vault long-form CertificatE of Live Birth, that he was born on U.S. soil. 

It is  the Senators and Representatives responsibility to verify that official form, and not “outsource” this responsibility to a third party who misrepresented key facts and examined a different document (a CertificatION of Live Birth) produced by THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN OFFICE, NOT THE STATE OF HAWAII.

Again, all Senators and Representatives have sworn an oath of office, before God and man, to support and defend the Constitution of the United Sates.  They have a sworn duty to Trust, but Verify, the qualifications of the President elect:

1) Ask to see the orginal vault CertificatE of Live Birth (not the 2007 CertificatION of Live Birth) delivered directly from the State of Hawaii, not the Obama campaign.  Verify that Barack Hussein Obama II was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961.

2) Ask the Supreme Court to rule on the definition of “natural born citizen”.  I.e., is it a requirement for both of your parents to be citizens of the United States at the time of your birth in order for you to be considered a “natural born citizen”.  If it is, Barack Hussein Obama II has already admitted that he does not meet this qualification.

“Доверяй, но проверяй … Trust, but Verify.”

- President Ronald Reagan, quoting an old Russian maxim

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29 Responses to Trust, But Verify

  1. Ted says:

    No way the Congress can or should lawfully trust — even without verification — those two things. No way! It would appear that they don’t desire to politicize what is the GREATEST CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS TO THE SURVIVAL OF THIS NATION since the American Civil War and are deferring to SCOTUS.

    The Supreme Court will not let this stand. Noooooooooo way!

  2. Ted,

    Thank you for your comment.

    It is important for everyone to understand that the Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, never said or verified that the candidate known as Barack Hussein Obama II was born in Hawaii.

    She only verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. And since Hawaii allowed the recording of Birth Certificates for people born outside of Hawaii, including in foreign countries, one must see the original birth certificate on record in order to see where Barack Hussein Obama II was born.

    Dr. Fukino’s statement gave the appearance that Obama was born in Hawaii, without actually confirming his birthplace.

    Per the 20th Amendment, the qualifications of the President elect must be verified by the Congress. Members of Congress most certainly have a “tangible interest” in Obama’s certified original birth certificate.

    It is the candidate’s responsibility to prove, using certified documents and not newspaper clippings or an untrustworthy third party, that they are eligible to hold the office they seek.

    It is the Congress’ responsibility to prevent a President elect who “shall have failed to qualify” from being inaugurated and taking office.

    Congress must verify Obama’s birth location using his certified original birth certificate.

    Congress must also verify, by asking the judicial branch to rule on the meaning of “natural born citizen”, wether or not Obama’s British citizenship at birth (obtained from his British citizen father, and openly admitted by Obama’s campaign) disqualifies him from being a “natural born citizen” of the United States of America.

  3. smrstrauss says:

    Re: And since Hawaii allowed the recording of Birth Certificates for people born outside of Hawaii, including in foreign countries, one must see the original birth certificate on record in order to see where Barack Hussein Obama II was born.

    Answer: Hawaii law does not allow the Department of Health (or any department) to lie in official forms. Thus, although the Department of Health can issue a certification of live birth to someone who was not born in Hawaii (one example being Obama’s sister), it requires that the certification must say the place where the person was actually born.

    Thus Obama’s Hawaii certification of live birth says that she was born in Indonesia. But Obama’s certification says that he was born in Hawaii.

    For an official to look into the file, see a birth certificate that said “born in Kenya” (or born anywhere else than Hawaii) and then merely say “I saw a birth certificate” would be intentionally misleading. The officials could be prosecuted for intentionally misleading, which could be considered a fraud. At the very least, they would lose their jobs.

    Since they have no desire to be prosecuted or to lose their jobs, the document in the file must say “born in Hawaii.”

    I have also confirmed that the birth notices posted in the two Hawaii newspapers were generated by the Hawaii department of health, which at the time sent all birth notices to the newspapers.

    So Obama was born in Hawaii.

    As to the THEORY that a “natural born” citizen under Article II requires two US parents, that is a theory. There is nothing specific in the Constitution that says “two US parents” or “no dual nationality at the time of birth.” Many experts believe that “natural born” is the same thing as A US citizen BY BIRTH, which is defined by Title 8 of the US Code, which merely requires someone to be born in US territory.

  4. smrstrauss,

    Thank you for your comment.

    For an official to look into the file, see a birth certificate that said “born in Kenya” (or born anywhere else than Hawaii) and then merely say “I saw a birth certificate” would be intentionally misleading.

    Exactly.

    And that is why we must “Trust, but Verify” the original document.

    Dr. Fukino could not lie and say she had “confirmed Obama was born in Hawaii” if he in fact was not. If she did confirm Hawaii as his birth state, she should have said that. Every citizen of the United States has a “tangible interest” in the Constitutional eligibility of the President of the United States, so there is no excuse to claim that we don’t have a “tangible interest” in the certified original birth certificate.

    Dr. Fukino’s statement was highly nuanced, and she did not technically lie about anything.

    FactCheck.org and the MARXstream Media and have wrongly claimed that Dr. Fukino “confirmed Obama was born in Hawaii”, when the truth is she never said that.

    It’s past time for “Mr. Transparency” to present the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. At this point, he has “failed to qualify”, and must prove to Congress that he qualifies.

    No more distractions, no more nuanced statements that then get misreported by the MARXstream Media.

    Newspaper birth notices have no legal authority, and could have been submitted by a Dunham grandparent, or forged more recently to provide cover for Obama.

    It’s past time to show the original birth certificate, and there is NO EXCUSE for this subterfuge.

    The adjectives “natural” and “born” both have meaning, and both modify the noun “citizen”.

    “Born” obviously refers to “at birth”.

    “Natural” refers to “Natural Law”.
    By Natural Law,

    natural-born citizens are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.

    That comes directly from a resource to which our Founding Fathers referenced.

    This 1758 work by Swiss legal philosopher Emmerich de Vattel is of special importance to scholars of constitutional history and law, for it was read by many of the Founders of the United States of America, and informed their understanding of the principles of law which became established in the Constitution of 1787. Chitty’s notes and the appended commentaries by Edward D. Ingraham, used in lectures at William and Mary College, provide a valuable perspective on Vattel’s exposition from the viewpoint of American jurists who had adapted those principles to the American legal experience.

    See also:
    Defining Natural-Born Citizen

  5. Rob says:

    In my entire life i’ve never even left the United States, yet I couldn’t pass your test so apparently i’m a foreignor. I’m only 33 and I haven’t seen my original birth certificate in 15 years, i’d guess i’m not in the minority.

    This is insane ranting, it really gives the indication that you’re mentally ill. Do you really believe they’re going to decide Obama can’t be president and call up McCain to tell him the job is his, simply because he doesn’t have a 50 year old scrap of paper? Why didn’t you demand GWB provide the same scrap of paper? He’s probably lost his too.

    It has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. There are some real, legitimate criticisms you could be making of Obama, but no you’d rather be stuck on this, I’ve never seen such a petty, bitter, sore loser in my life.

  6. Ryan says:

    Well said Rob,

    Pill, you say “Trust, but verify”, but how far do you take it. If the Hawaiian official said “Yes, I saw the Birth Certificate, and Mr Obama was indeed born in Hawaii without a doubt” would you trust her? I’m guessing not. If you had the certificate itself in your hands, would you trust that is is real? I’m guessing not.

    Is there any amount of proof that you would be satisfied with?

    What disturbs me the most here is that you WANT Obama to be born somewhere else. You WANT him to be unqualified for president. You are not looking for the truth, but rather a way – any way – to prevent the United States from having a president with whom you disagree.

    Do what the rest of us did when Bush was elected both times. Sit back, criticize his decisions, praise his successes, and organize with people of like minds to win support for whichever candidate you support next time.

  7. Jonah says:

    Oh man. When I discovered you had a blog, I was positively giddy. I’ve been a fan of your comments on MM’s blog for a while now. Hilarious stuff. And the parentheses in the title? My favorite.

    Do tell me you talk about stuff other than Obama’s citizenship, right? Don’t get me wrong, I love reading crazy conspiracy rants as much as the next guy, but I need a little variety, you know? I don’t need much: the occasional “Ayers wrote Dreams of my Father,” a little “ACORN stole the election,” and maybe a few dashes of “-1 x -1 = -1″ thrown in for good measure, and I’m hooked.

    I do see you’ve complained about the term “Xmas” (even though it hails from a thousand-year-old tradition of abbreviating Christ’s name with a capital chi). Keep it up, and I’ll probably subscribe.

  8. Rob,

    Thank you for your comment. Barack’s original Birth Certificate is not “lost”. It is sealed in Hawaii. All Barack has to do is release it. Simple.

    But he won’t, because it won’t match the fraudulent Certification of Live Birth that first existed as a KOS kiddie photoshop. Obama chose to “double down” on the forgery and produce a hardcopy document that was ONLY shown to people at the Annenberg Political Fact Check. The fact that FactCheck.org boldly posted two lies, the fact that Obama has prior connections to Annenberg (he was the Chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge), the fact that Dr. Fukino in Hawaii never verified this CertificatION document, the fact that no one else was allowed to examine this hard copy document, and the fact that document experts who examined the online images say it is fraudulent, all add up to significant reasons to doubt it’s authenticity. You claim that, “It has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii” but that is both 1) Untrue, and 2) Insufficient to qualify him as a “natural born citizen”.

  9. Ryan,

    Thank you for your comment.

    Pill, you say “Trust, but verify”, but how far do you take it. If the Hawaiian official said “Yes, I saw the Birth Certificate, and Mr Obama was indeed born in Hawaii without a doubt” would you trust her? I’m guessing not. If you had the certificate itself in your hands, would you trust that is is real? I’m guessing not.

    Is there any amount of proof that you would be satisfied with?

    Yes.
    1) The certified original vault birth certificate publicly released, by the Hawaiian officials, showing Obama’s birth in Hawaii.

    2) A Supreme Court ruling on the definition of “natural born citizen”. You interpret “natural born” as “born in the country”. I interpret “natural born” the way the founders did, based on Natural Law and Vattel’s Law of Nations, namely “natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens

    What disturbs me the most here is that you WANT Obama to be born somewhere else.

    WRONG. I want the truth revealed. Obama promised transparency. It’s time for him to be a man of his word.

    You WANT him to be unqualified for president.

    No, I want the truth, and I want the Constitution supported and defended. If Obama meets the Constitutional requirements to be President, fine. The issue here is that he admits that he was born with British citizenship, which I believe disqualifies him, and he has done everything he can to prevent people from seeing his original birth certificate. It’s time to authorize the release of that original birth certificate. If he has nothing to hide, it’s no big deal. If he has something to hide, it’s a very big deal because the release of that document could lead to prosecution.

    You are not looking for the truth, but rather a way – any way – to prevent the United States from having a president with whom you disagree.

    Wrong.

    Do what the rest of us did when Bush was elected both times. Sit back, criticize his decisions, praise his successes, and organize with people of like minds to win support for whichever candidate you support next time.

    This is different. This is the first time in our nation’s history when there have been such serious questions about a presumed president elect’s Constitutional eligibility. His father was not a U.S. citizen. BHOII himself had, at best, dual citizenship at birth. That alone disqualifies him from being a “natural born citizen”.

    There were never any questions about Bush being a “natural born citizen”.

    Obama has already admitted that he wants to change the Constitution. If he is allowed to serve as a usurper of the Presidency, our entire Constitutional Republic (NOT a “Democracy”), is at risk of being destroyed.

  10. Ryan says:

    Why is “our entire Constitutional Republic … at risk of being destroyed.”?

    The worst that could happen here (and it’s not even that bad) is that the Supreme Court rules to clarify the constitutional requirements for presidency to be interpreted to mean that one must only be born on US soil to be a natural born citizen.

    You think that if that happens, the nation will be destroyed? Why?

    I know that you do not like Obama, or his ideas. I have no problem with that. You can dislike him for any reason you wish. But what does his father’s citizenship status have to do with that? Do you think that the British have an in with Obama? Are we soon going to be eating McTea and McCrumpets at McDonalds?

  11. Ryan,

    If both the Legislative Branch and the Judicial Branch of our government refuse to support and defend any portion of our Constitution, then our Constitutional Republic is at risk.

    Article II Section 1 makes it clear that only a “natural born citizen” can serve as the head of the Executive Branch.

    By both Natural Law and the Law of Nations, “natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens”.

    The 14th Amendment only relates to the larger category of “citizen” and not the subset of “natural born citizen”.

    The 20th Amendment clearly implies that the President-elect must qualify, and spells out what is to be done when a President-elect has failed to qualify.

    Barack Hussein Obama II fails to qualify. If he is allowed to usurp the Presidency, a large portion of our military will follow their sworn oath to support and defend the Constitution.

    This will be an Historic Week & Month – to Breakthrough or Disaster

    This is not a partisan issue. Many Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Independents, and others are all in agreement about the danger.

    “STAND BY ME…”

  12. Jax says:

    “Barack Hussein Obama II fails to qualify. If he is allowed to usurp the Presidency, a large portion of our military will follow their sworn oath to support and defend the Constitution.”

    Can you give us a hint on when we should expect the coup? I just want to let my boss know I won’t be coming into work that day, due to the military takeover of the world’s largest democracy and the imminent imposition of martial law. If you’re in possession of this kind of information, Red, you should do the same. Employers like that kind of thoughtfulness.

  13. Jonah says:

    Red, how does the August 13, 1961 edition of the Honolulu Observer, which contains a birth announcement for Obama, factor into the analysis? Sure, it’s not an official document, but why would they fake it at the time? Do you really believe that some hospital decided this baby could one day become president, and thus it was in their best interest to report his birth to the local papers?

    Furthermore, I’m perplexed by all these allegations of photoshopping. Can you explain why we know the image on Kos is fake? This fact is almost taken as an axiom by you folks, but I’ve never seen a convincing argument besides the words of anonymous digital image specialists.

    Occam’s razor, dude.

  14. Jonah,

    The “Obama” COLB was produced by a KOS kiddie, not the State of Hawaii. It is about as authentic as “Haye I.B. Ahphorgerie“.

    Occam’s razor, dude.

  15. Ryan says:

    Pill, if Obama has state of Hawaii officials (Republicans no less) on his side, stretching the truth to hide his past, why on earth would he need to forge a certificate of live birth?

    Also, I don’t think you understand the principle of Occam’s Razor. It states that the simplest solution, all other things equal, is usually the correct one.

    You are proposing a 40 year long conspiracy involving thousands of people, all to get one person into office to “destroy America”. Heck – even President Bush would have to know about the conspiracy, and support it, since the Patriot Act would allow him to walk right into the vaults in Hawaii and look at Obama’s birth certificate himself – without having to even ask permission.

    That doesn’t seem like the simplest solution.

  16. Jasper James says:

    1) Even a BC may not actually prove where Obama was born. What if he was born at home or in a cab on the way to the hospital? And then the parents registered the birth? The BC would have no witness, no doctor, no hospital listed. So a COLB would not indicate anything on it but what was registered by the parents. The BC would give you the clues you need to further investigate. This is one simplistic example of how a COLB could easily say that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    2) No Courts have ruled that when the Framers of the constitution wrote that the president must be a “natural born citizen” is the same as a citizen at birth as defined in Title 8 of the US Code. Legal experts and many Americans have not been able to agree on this. Congress has attempted to pass bills to clarify this phrase – but none have passed. It could be that it doesn’t matter where Obama was born – he could still not be a NBC.

    3) Some say the people have determined his eligibility by voting for him. Thats a ridiculous statement. We the people cannot access relevant document to vet him, and the SC says we don’t have standing to vet him and/or access relevant documents. So we can’t vet him. Its a catch 22.

    4) The press release about his birth in newspapers is irrelevant and only proves once his birth was registered – an announcment was made. Occams razor – the simplest answer – it has no meaning and no conspiracy. duh

    5) Obama appears to have been adopted by his step father. If so it seems this would have changed his legal name. But, on the other hand, his COLB still indicates his name is Obama, so perhaps the adoption was not truly done. But then why does his mother list him as a child (over 18) in the divorce? If he was not adopted, he should not be listed right? The only way to figure this out is to look into it. Did anyone look into this issue? This is vague like his BC issue because again Obama has deliberately not released relevant documents about his adoption.

    6)Is it possible that Obama maintained his Indonesian passport and Indonesian Citizenship beyond the age of Minority? The only way to know would be examine relevant documents (passports). But again his passports, both U.S. and Indonesian, are not available.

  17. Jax says:

    7) Is it possible he’s a SPACE ALIEN sent from the planet Liberal? Only a rigorous investigation of his DNA for extraterrestrial proteins would tell us this, but Obama has refused to provide us with the saliva, skin or sperm sample that would give us this critical information. The vagueries continue to abound. Stock up on tinfoil.

  18. Rob says:

    4) The press release about his birth in newspapers is irrelevant and only proves once his birth was registered – an announcment was made. Occams razor – the simplest answer – it has no meaning and no conspiracy. duh

    How is that the simplest answer? The simplest answer is he was born in Hawaii and it was reported in the birth announcements.

    Let’s assume for a second that you’re right, which you’re not, but let’s say you are and Obama was not born on U.S. soil but moved to Hawaii as an infant. Are you seriously arguing that that would suddenly mean he’s unfit to lead the country? Oh, and let’s not neglect your guy McCain who was born in Panama.

    I’ll also note that all this talk about defending the constitution is pretty funny, or sad, or both, coming off 8 years of GWB using it as a doormat.

  19. smrstrauss,

    You said:

    I have also confirmed that the birth notices posted in the two Hawaii newspapers were generated by the Hawaii department of health, which at the time sent all birth notices to the newspapers.

    I don’t believe that you have any evidence that proves the Obama birth notice was generated by the Hawaii department of health.

    Please link to the evidence if I am incorrect.

    That birth notice could have been generated from:
    1) A Dunham grandparent, or
    2) A deliberate Obama campaign forgery, modifying and replacing the original microfice.

    Does anyone have an original copy of those newspapers?
    Highly doubtful.

    The only evidence is from microfice, and yes, it could have been doctored.

    We’re asking for two simple things:

    1) For the Hawaii department of health to release the original Obama birth certificate, and

    2) For the Supreme Court to rule on the definition and requirements to be a natural born citizen.

    You believe:
    1) Obama was born on US soil, and
    2) Birth on US soil = natural born citizen, regardless of parents’ citizenship

    If either one of those two things is not true, then Obama is not eligible to hold the office of President of the United States.

  20. Ryan says:

    “A deliberate Obama campaign forgery, modifying and replacing the original microfice.”

    Please tell me you are being a devil’s advocate here. You can’t possible believe that.

  21. Jonah says:

    Ryan, as someone who volunteered for Obama, let me tell you that Red is absolutely right. We didn’t spend our time knocking on doors, making phone calls and convincing undecided voters. No, we actually spent all our time going into libraries, finding historical documents contemporaneous with made-up parts of Obama’s past, and slipping forgeries into those documents in the hopes that eventually someone else would find them.

    I like to think that it was this productive use of our time that won us the election.

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  23. smrstrauss says:

    Re: You believe:
    1) Obama was born on US soil, and
    2) Birth on US soil = natural born citizen, regardless of parents’ citizenship

    If either one of those two things is not true, then Obama is not eligible to hold the office of President of the United States.”

    I absolutely agree with you. IF either of those two is not true, then Obama is not eligible to hold the office of President of the United States. But both of them are true. Obama was born in Hawaii. There is documentary proof of this, and no proof whatsoever that he was born in Kenya. (The grandmother tape is baloney. She can clearly be heard saying that he was born in Hawaii.)

    If the framers of the Constitution wanted a law that said that a “Natural born citizen” had to have two parents who were both citizens as well as being born in the USA, they would have said so. Otherwise, “Natural Born citizen” means the same thing that a “Natural Born Subject” meant in British common law according to Blackstone and the United States v. Wong Kim Ark Supreme Court case, which is that a “Natural Born subject” is simply one who was born in the Realm.

    Moreover, the very idea that someone who has a parent who was a foreign citizen at the time of birth is any less loyal than someone who has two US parents is absurd. It is like saying that because my father was a Baptist at the time of my birth, I have to stay a Baptist all my life.
    We don’t think that these days, and there is no evidence that the framers of the Constitution did either.

  24. Ryan says:

    smrstrauss:

    Very well said. I think this is the reason that the overwhelming majority of Americans have accepted that Obama has won, and that he now deserves the chance to lead the country.

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  26. January 7, 2009 at 3:52 pm
    Jonah Says:

    Ryan, as someone who volunteered for Obama, let me tell you that Red is absolutely right. We didn’t spend our time knocking on doors, making phone calls and convincing undecided voters. No, we actually spent all our time going into libraries, finding historical documents contemporaneous with made-up parts of Obama’s past, and slipping forgeries into those documents in the hopes that eventually someone else would find them.

    I understand your sarcasm, but new research strongly suggests that the microfilms were doctored.

  27. Obama was born in Hawaii. There is documentary proof of this, and no proof whatsoever that he was born in Kenya.

    The “documentary proof” was produced at and by the Obama campaign headquarters in Chicago. NOT the State of Hawaii. And yes, there is documentary evidence of government officials in Kenya declaring that Obama was born there, not in the U.S.

    Obama’s Eligibility: It’s a Matter of Faith

  28. “Доверяй, но проверяй … Trust, but Verify.”

    - President Ronald Reagan, quoting an old Russian maxim

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