Spiritual Warfare Against Sarah Palin

On September 30th, 2008 at 1:18 am, greenfairie said:

The Left worships death as much as the jihadists do.

True.

All those who hate me love death.

Proverbs 8:36b

Why is the lipstick green?
Perhaps because the color green is symbolic of Islam.

The flag of the [57 member states] OIC … has an overall green background (symbolic of Islam). In the center, there is an upward-facing red crescent enveloped in a white disc. On the disc the words “Allahu Akbar” are written in modern Arabic calligraphy.

Obama, Biden, McCain, and Palin all claim to be Christians.
It is my belief that of the four of them, only Sarah Palin would be willing to confess with her mouth “Jesus is Lord.”

Jesus made it clear how important confessing Him is:

Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.

Matthew 10:32-33

The different “Derangement Syndromes” we see (against, Bush, Palin, Malkin, etc.) are really variations on the same thing…demons can’t stand true followers of Jesus Christ.

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19 Responses to Spiritual Warfare Against Sarah Palin

  1. From: lifewithlogan Date: October 15th, 2008 01:05 pm (UTC) (Link)

    Do I get freaked out by bloggers like this [links to this post] who would associate all criticism of Sarah Palin with demons? Sure I do. But buying into the same “us-versus-them” attitude from the opposing side only strengthens the absolutist approach to politics in which it is always good versus evil and it is never OK to agree to disagree.

    lifewithlogan, you have misrepresented this post. I do not “associate all criticism of Sarah Palin with demons”. But I most certainly do think that the “Abort Sarah Palin” attack is demonic.

    Woud you like to have an open discussion, rather than just being “freaked out”?

  2. Someone else was kind enough to let me know that you had quoted me here, so that I could come back to have that open discussion.

    I have a problem with associating political opposition with demons, as if the politicians one agrees with are God’s anointed, and those who disagree with them are subhuman and evil. I have a problem with that attitude on any side of an issue. In political discussion we need to be able to criticize each other’s positions without condemning each other as evil. I don’t like talk about assassinating politicians as an answer to a problem; I don’t like pictures of Barack Obama with a hangman’s noose next to him, and I don’t like suggestions that anyone else should be killed for their opinions, either. However, using that example which personally offends me, while I think it’s disgustingly inappropriate to juxtapose a photo of Obama with a hangman’s noose, I wouldn’t accuse the person who did it of being under demonic influence.

  3. lifewithlogan,

    Thank you for your comment.

    I have a problem with associating political opposition with demons, as if the politicians one agrees with are God’s anointed, and those who disagree with them are subhuman and evil. I have a problem with that attitude on any side of an issue.

    I never said Sarah Palin is “God’s anointed”. I said Sarah Palin would be willing to confess with her mouth “Jesus is Lord.” She said herself that we should not pray for God to be on our side, but rather pray that we be on God’s side. Can you understand the difference?

    In political discussion we need to be able to criticize each other’s positions without condemning each other as evil.

    I agree with you. The picture above, however, is hardly “political discussion”. You don’t think that attack is evil?

    I don’t like talk about assassinating politicians as an answer to a problem; I don’t like pictures of Barack Obama with a hangman’s noose next to him, and I don’t like suggestions that anyone else should be killed for their opinions, either.

    Amen! ALL of that is evil. I don’t condone any of that.

    However, using that example which personally offends me, while I think it’s disgustingly inappropriate to juxtapose a photo of Obama with a hangman’s noose, I wouldn’t accuse the person who did it of being under demonic influence.

    I would.

  4. I understand the difference between the arrogance of invoking God to be on our side (as if He were some kind of cosmic vending machine, just waiting for the right prayer-coin to be inserted) and the humility of praying that we will be on God’s side. That comment was not original to Sarah Palin. My concern is that far too many people are opting for the arrogant view that their opinions are God’s opinions and their political opponents are God’s opponents.

    Just because I find something personally offensive, disgusting or appalling doesn’t mean that it is demonic. Whichever side is doing it, dehumanizing one’s opponents and making it seem OK to want them dead is still wrong.

  5. I’ve been reading through some of your other posts here, and I see that you have characterized Obama as a follower of Lucifer, and have described the United States as a Christian nation.

    I firmly believe that you are wrong on both counts. However, I also believe that your right to say those things is part of the freedom that I would be willing to fight for, even when I disagree with the way that freedom is exercised. It’s not the “freedom to be Christian,” it’s the freedom to worship in one’s own way even if it is not Christian, and the freedom to speak one’s mind even when others strongly disagree.

    This is a FREE nation. When we say that we are only a Christian nation, and non-Christians don’t belong here, we are giving up one of the major reasons why this country was established – freedom of worship for all, not just for certain types of Protestants, but also for Catholics, and for Jews, and yes, even for Muslims.

  6. lifewithlogan,

    I agree with about 90% of your 2:02 pm comment.

    Just to clarify, Sarah Palin made it clear that what she was saying was not her original thoughts. She was repeating the words of President Abraham Lincoln. Words that have been spoken by U.S. Presidents throughout our Republic’s history are now being attacked as “Holy War” by MSM journalists who seem friendly to Islamic Jihadists and hostile to Holy Spirit-filled Christians.

    I agree with you that “far too many people are opting for the arrogant view that their opinions are God’s opinions and their political opponents are God’s opponents.”

    If a person starts with their opinions and tries to claim they are God’s opinions, that person is off base.

    However, it is totally appropriate, and in fact desireable, for a person to start with God’s will and conform their own will to God’s will. Anyone who has ever prayed the Lord’s prayer has said these words:

    Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name.
    Your kingdom come.
    Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven.

    23 Biblical references to the will of God.

    And remember:

    All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

    2 Timothy 3:16

  7. I have prayed that prayer many times, alone and with others, while my beliefs have changed and may change again, I believe that God can, does, and will work through human beings – but exactly how that happens is up to God, and when we assume that our own personal agendas are God’s agenda, we place ourselves and our country’s freedom in jeopardy.

    If you look at the history of religious wars in Europe before the founding of this country, and especially in England since that is the primary source of our political traditions, you will see what the founding fathers wanted to avoid. Whenever one particular form of religion is “established” as the state religion, those who disagree are persecuted. It happened when the Catholics were in power and it happened when the Protestants were in power – the only difference was whose turn it was to suffer martyrdom. The only way to avoid it was to make sure that the government did not have the power to impose any particular religion on the people, even the one which they believe is right.

    We do not elect a President to teach us correct theology.

  8. I’ve been reading through some of your other posts here, and I see that you have characterized Obama as a follower of Lucifer, and have described the United States as a Christian nation.

    I have rightly said that Saul Alinksy wrote an acknowledgment to Lucifer. I have rightly said that Obama is a follower of, and teacher of, Saul Alinksy’s methods. I have rightly said that Obama studied the Koran and repeated the Islamic call to prayer “with a first-rate accent”. All of that is demonstrably true. All Obama would have to do for me to believe that he is a Christian is for him to confess with his mouth three simple words.

    I firmly believe that you are wrong on both counts. However, I also believe that your right to say those things is part of the freedom that I would be willing to fight for, even when I disagree with the way that freedom is exercised.

    And for that, I sincerely thank you.
    I am willing to fight for your 1st Amendment rights, too.

    It’s not the “freedom to be Christian,” it’s the freedom to worship in one’s own way even if it is not Christian, and the freedom to speak one’s mind even when others strongly disagree. This is a FREE nation.

    I agree with you.

    When we say that we are only a Christian nation, and non-Christians don’t belong here, we are giving up one of the major reasons why this country was established – freedom of worship for all, not just for certain types of Protestants, but also for Catholics, and for Jews, and yes, even for Muslims.

    This nation has always been a Christian nation (even the first Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court called our country a “Christian nation”). But “Christian nation” doesn’t mean the things you are saying. A “Christian nation” is a nation founded by Christians, on principles from the Bible. A “Christian nation” does not persecute those of other faiths, but it does protect Christians (and everyone else) from the persecution they have faced in non-Christian nations. (Ask yourself where in the world people get beheaded with a knife…it’s not in Christian nations.)

    I believe in freedom of religion. I believe in freedom of worship for all. You put incorrect words in my mouth. I NEVER said that we are “only” a Christian nation, or that “non-Christians don’t belong here”. In my own extended family are Muslims, Jews, and Bhudists, and I would fight for their 1st Amendment rights just as much as for my own.

    Have you ever noticed how the attacks on 1st Amendment rights are against Christians?

  9. I believe that God can, does, and will work through human beings

    Indeed. The same is true about Satan, who can, does, and will work through human beings. It’s called spiritual warfare.

  10. We don’t know and can’t know exactly when and how God is acting through a human being, and we can’t (or, to be more correct, shouldn’t) assume that principalities and powers of darkness are acting through human beings and then treat those human beings accordingly as agents of Satan. That’s spiritual arrogance, under the name of spiritual warfare.

    If you subscribe only to Christian and/or conservative news sources, you will only be notified about attacks on our “Christian freedoms” and will not hear about attacks against the exercise of First Amendment freedoms by non-Christians. Jews and other Saturday Sabbath observers such as Seventh-Day Adventists, Muslims and others have been subjected to attack for exercising their religious beliefs. (Notice that I am not talking at this point about the separate issue of being restricted from advocating violence, and to what extent we can or should do this – that’s another debate.) So, for example, while I disagree with the idea that a woman should keep her head veiled at all times while in public, a Muslim student who believes in that as a matter of religious faith should not be punished for wearing a head-veil to a public school. A pagan/Wiccan who wants to wear a pentagram to public school should be treated no differently than a Christian who wants to wear a cross to public school. The same rights should apply to all.

  11. We don’t know and can’t know exactly when and how God is acting through a human being

    People reveal by their actions whose will they are performing:

    The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.

    John 10:10

  12. And yes, I agree that the same rights apply to all.

  13. I’m tempted to get into a discussion here about bible interpretation, but I think that would be wandering off the subject at hand, so I will save that for another day.

    Have you ever read the Seventh-Day Adventist magazine “Liberty”?

    http://www.libertymagazine.org/

    They have an archive of past issues available at their website. You might find it interesting to read a different perspective on some of these questions, such as whether the United States was founded as a specifically “Christian” country or as a religiously free country.

    For example, there was the Treaty of Tripoli, negotiated between the United States and the Muslim Barbary state and ratified in 1797, which includes this reference in Article 11: “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion … it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”

    You probably know that Jefferson created his own abbreviated version of the bible, eliminating the sections with which he disagreed (a tougher task to accomplish in the days before computers and cut-and-paste word processing, I am sure).

    Everyone seems to have their own favorite bible passages, and others which they will dismiss as not relevant to today’s issues, and it’s OK for opinions to differ; we’re entitled to our own interpretation. The point is that we should not impose those interpretations on others through the political system.

  14. I found the full text of Article 11 of the U.S. Treaty with Tripoli from another source: “Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”

  15. keri says:

    This nation has always been a Christian nation (even the first Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court called our country a “Christian nation”). But “Christian nation” doesn’t mean the things you are saying. A “Christian nation” is a nation founded by Christians, on principles from the Bible.

    I was following this post and the discussion, but I had to stop and scratch my head when I got to this. You see, when you say the USA was founded by Christians, are you saying that all the founders were Christian, using Biblical principles? Because there is nothing in the founding documents (such as the Declaration of Independence, or the Constitution) that indicate anything like that. In fact, the closest to Christianity any of it comes is to acknowledge Deism, which is quite different and which stems from the Enlightenment and the (at the time) new ideas about science.

    I find it quite intriguing that so many people insist that the USA is a “Christian nation” as you’ve defined, yet there is so little in the documents from the founding to show this. In my early years at school learning about the founding, I learned that a lot of what went into the formation of the country was based on the philosophy of men like John Locke or Thomas Paine or Voltaire which was far from being Christian.

    If anything, it can be said that the USA is a “nation whose citizens are currently primarily Christian,” but I believe that could be fallacious as well, depending on one’s definition of “Christian” and whether or not one considers people who are not actively religious to be Christian, though they may reply as such on a census. And then there is the fact that as time passes, the ratio of people who call themselves Christian to those who do not is shrinking as the population changes.

  16. lifewithlogan and keri,

    I have written extensively in prior blog entries documenting primary source evidence that yes, indeed this country was founded as a Christian Nation.

  17. So, who’s the idiot?

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