What Do Barack Obama and Kwame Raoul Have in Common?

Posted on June 25, 2008 by itooktheredpill

What Do Barack Obama and Kwame Raoul Have in Common?

1) Both Illinois State Senator from the 13th district.
Kwame Raoul succeeded Barack Obama in this position, and since Barack was hand-picked by his predecessor Alice Palmer, it is likely that Obama hand-picked Kwame Raoul to succeed him, especially in light of…

2) Both members of Trinity United Church of Christ, led by the controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

3) Both chose names for their children which suggest Russian, Marxist, and Islamic connections.

As a parent, naming your child(ren) is a very significant event. Often, the name(s) you choose says a lot about you and your beliefs. For example, it’s not uncommon for Christians to give their children Biblical names: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Michael, Joshua, Samuel, Jacob, Benjamin, Sarah, Ruth, Mary, etc.

But here are the names that Barack and Kwame chose for their children, along with links to probable sources of those names…

Obama’s children: Malia and Natasha (“Sasha“).
Both names suggest a Russian connection of importance to Obama.

Raoul’s children: Che and Mizan.
Isn’t it interesting that a man who claims to be a member of Trinity United Church of Christ would name his two children after
a Marxist revolutionary and
a comprehensive treatise on the contents of Islam?

It’s the [Black Liberation] Theology, Stupid

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Ryan says:

December 12, 2008 at 3:20 am

Natasha is of Russian origin but is a very very common name in the US. Malia is a Hawaiian name. You think it’s a Russian name because it’s the last name of an AMERICAN historian who studied Russian history? What were you drinking when you made that leap?

And by the way, Kwame Raoul was not appointed by Barack Obama. He was appointed by an 11 member committee with representatives from wards in the 13th district.
itooktheredpill says:

December 12, 2008 at 9:31 am

I’m willing to concede the issue of Barack’s children’s names.
But not the issue of Kwame Raoul’s children’s names.

The current truth being revealed about corruption in the filling of Obama’s U.S. Senate seat certainly casts doubt on the filling of Obama’s IL Senate seat.

I agree with the following commenter on Michelle Malkin’s site:

On December 11th, 2008 at 2:25 pm, Socky said:

Is anyone stupid enough to believe that Obama is the only virgin in the whorehouse?
Ed Darrell says:

July 2, 2009 at 7:47 pm

For the love of God, don’t you ever bother to check out the rumors before you post ‘em? If Obama weren’t a public official, you’d need to be hiring libel lawyers by now.

Obama’s children: Malia and Natasha (”Sasha“).
Both names suggest a Russian connection of importance to Obama.

Raoul’s children: Che and Mizan.
Isn’t it interesting that a man who claims to be a member of Trinity United Church of Christ would name his two children after

“Malia” is a Swahili name meaning “Queen.” It’s also used as a name in Hawaiian families, and it’s an old Hebrew name. Shame on you for not even bothering to look it up.

Martin Edward Malia was a U.S. born, World War II Navy veteran, anti-communist historian who made controversy predicting an end to the Soviet Union before others saw it coming. Once again you slander a patriotic American — a veteran who saved your gluteals in World War II — solely to take a cheap shot at the president. Shame on you. You owe an apology to Martin Malia’s family, to native Hawaiians, everybody of Swahili descent, and your readers. There is no hint of Russian connection there, other than the prediction of the failure of Soviet communism. How could you fail to know that?

Natasha is an old name out Italian, filtered through the Orthodox Christian tradition. It means “Christ’s Birthday.”

Once again you slander Christianity. Whose side are you on?

Isn’t it disgusting that you slander a good Christian name, making false claims about an imaginary Russian origin? Isn’t disgusting that you slander an anti-communist, American patriot professor of history, once again imagining a Russian connection that doesn’t exist?
itooktheredpill says:

July 3, 2009 at 11:28 am

Ed,

Read what I wrote on December 12, 2008 above:

I’m willing to concede the issue of Barack’s children’s names. But not the issue of Kwame Raoul’s children’s names.

Kwame Raoul is a fellow long-time member of Barack Hussein Obama’s “church”, a church where the pastor said, “No, no, no! Not God Bless America. God D*mn America! That’s in the Bible!” during his first “sermon” after the 9/11/2001 attacks, whose church bulletin openly supported Palestinians against Israeli Jews, and where this same “Reverend” said “the Jews won’t let me” see Barack Obama now that he is acting as President.

What we choose to name our children says a lot about us. Kwame Raoul, a member of Trinity United Church of Christ and a man who claims to be a Christian, chose to name his children after a Marxist revolutionary (Che) and a comprehensive treatise on the contents of Islam (Mizan).

Since Barack Hussein Obama was hand-picked by his predecessor Alice Palmer, it is likely that Obama hand-picked Kwame Raoul to succeed him.

There is undeniable evidence that Trinity United Church of Christ is not a place where the true Gospel of Jesus Christ is preached, but rather it is a place where Anti-Semetic, pro-Palestinian, pro-Islam, and pro-Marxist people congregate and pretend to be “Christian”.

It is that environment that Barack Hussein Obama where Obama claims to have become a Christian, and for over 20 years it was the only “church” he knew.

I repeat: Obama’s only experience as a “Christian” has been the 20+ years he spent learning racist, marxist “Black Liberation Theology” from “Reverend” Jeremiah Wright, a man who honored Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan.

Don’t drink the Kool-Aid.
Ed Darrell says:

July 4, 2009 at 3:58 am

Spit that Kool-Aid out! You shouldn’t be drinking from the well of calumny. You’re missing key issues, and you’re spreading falsehoods. That is not the work of a noble man.

Kwame Raoul is a fellow long-time member of Barack Hussein Obama’s “church”, a church where the pastor said, “No, no, no! Not God Bless America. God D*mn America! That’s in the Bible!” during his first “sermon” after the 9/11/2001 attacks, whose church bulletin openly supported Palestinians against Israeli Jews, and where this same “Reverend” said “the Jews won’t let me” see Barack Obama now that he is acting as President.

Obama repudiated Wright. As you note, Obama has not met with Wright in many months (years?) — and yet you go on as if there is some link here we should worry about. Why?

Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson said the 9/11 attacks were a manifestation of God damning America. I gather your claim is that Robertson is and Falwell was communist? What’s your point? Have you ever read Wright’s sermon? What part do you disagree with? It seems clear to me that you don’t understand Christianity or Christian sermons — since this was NOT Wright calling for damnation, but explaining why the blessings had left the nation. Please explain why you think this theology is bad when Jeremiah Wright espouses it, but you don’t condemn Falwell or Robertson with the same vehemence.

There are several thousand members of this church. You pick out one, for reasons I can’t figure, and claim it demonstrates something about Obama. That’s crazy.

What we choose to name our children says a lot about us.

Balderdash. It doesn’t say what our politics are. It doesn’t say what our religion is. Your focusing on the issue, however, tells us that you have nothing of substance to complain about.

Let’s be clear: You’re trying to convince us that Barack Obama has communist ties, and your evidence is that the name of his successor in the Illinois Senate is the same as some communist guy? That’s crazy talk.

Kwame Raoul, a member of Trinity United Church of Christ and a man who claims to be a Christian, chose to name his children after a Marxist revolutionary (Che) and a comprehensive treatise on the contents of Islam (Mizan).

So what? Is there any possibility that your claims against Obama could be weaker? “Don’t trust Obama,” you say, “because a guy tangentially related to him gave his kids funny names.”

Che is a short form of Jose. It’s not common in the U.S., but it’s quite common throughout Latin America. What evidence do you have that the name is in honor of a communist, and not simply an homage to Saint Joseph?

Mizan, by the way, isn’t Islamic. It’s Persian. It’s older than Islam by a good distance. Think Xerxes. Your accuracy in making these bizarre claims is not good. Bizarre and wrong. Not good.

But assume for a moment that this fellow DID name his children after a revolutionary and with a common Islamic name.

So what? How in the world could that possibly reflect on the president? There is no possible causal link — there isn’t even a casual link. This claim couldn’t pass muster of the Homeopathic Association as tea, it’s that weak.

Since Barack Hussein Obama was hand-picked by his predecessor Alice Palmer, it is likely that Obama hand-picked Kwame Raoul to succeed him.

Obama wasn’t hand picked by Palmer. (Actually, this is a pretty famous case — I’m surprised you could be suckered by the false tale you relate above). Palmer had thought she would win another election, but didn’t — and she ran against Obama in the primary. Obama’s campaign discovered some corruption in her election petition, and she was disqualified. Losing to someone by disqualification has never before been described as “hand picked.” Where did you ever get such a crock of manure?

Obama wasn’t appointed to the Senate, he was elected. Senators leaving the Illinois Senate do not get to pick their successors. In this case, Raoul was appointed by the governor of Illinois.

But assume for a moment that Obama had some influence on the selection. So what? That may indicate only that Obama thought this guy could do a good job. You’ve offered not a shred of sensible evidence to suggest a link — nothing that would survive in a court of law, and nothing that should survive in a junior high debate.

There is undeniable evidence that Trinity United Church of Christ is not a place where the true Gospel of Jesus Christ is preached, but rather it is a place where Anti-Semetic, pro-Palestinian, pro-Islam, and pro-Marxist people congregate and pretend to be “Christian”.

So it’s like most Baptist churches in America, but with a better idea that Palestinians need help.

Except, your description runs off the rails a lot. You call it pro-Islam, and pro-Marxist. Islam officially eschews Marxism — that’s one of the reasons so many followers of Islam flocked to Afghanistan’s war against the Soviet Union. And, Soviet Marxists were not fond of Islam. You’re pulling this stuff out of your gluteals, right? You hope no one is really paying attention, but that someone will grant you credence in these silly arguments? Claiming that the congregation is both pro-Marxist and pro-Islam is rather like claiming they are Jehovah’s Witnesses who organize voter drives to increase their political clout, forgetting that a key tenet of the belief of Jehovah’s Witnesses is to avoid all such politics.

You have never been a member of a Christian church, I presume. You appear wholly unfamiliar with the Gospels, and with Christian theology. How could you recognize other religious influences in a church you don’t attend in a faith you know so little about?

It is that environment that Barack Hussein Obama where Obama claims to have become a Christian, and for over 20 years it was the only “church” he knew.

My recollection from Obama’s biographies is that he was raised Christian. Have you read those books?

Here’s the TUCC website: I see absolutely no evidence of any of the claims you make. Have you any serious documentation? How many times does the choir have to sing “Jesus is Christ!” to convince you that they are Christian? How many Bible classes?

How much else do you not know about the Stone-Campbell movement? You know that out of this movement we have had three previous presidents, Garfield, Johnson and Reagan? Do you think they were Marxists?

More nuts.

I repeat: Obama’s only experience as a “Christian” has been the 20+ years he spent learning racist, marxist “Black Liberation Theology” from “Reverend” Jeremiah Wright, a man who honored Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan.

So we know that you don’t know anything about the United Churches of Christ nor the Disciples of Christ. We know that you have never attended a service at this church that Obama is no longer a member of. We know you’re not fond of democracy or other forms of liberation when preached in churches, but you’re also not fond of anything else — well, really we can’t tell what you’re saying, since you accuse this church of being in with Moslems and in with communists and anti-Semitic, all of which contradict each other.

So I’m not taking your word on any of this. Do you have any serious sources to support these wild and, ultimately, inconsequential claims?

Don’t drink the Kool-Aid.

Oh, I’m not taking a drop of any liquid from you. None at all.

Other analyses, serious analyses, of Obama’s religion come out much differently than yours — from people and publications who have the religious chops to make their critiques valid. For example, here’s an article from the distinguished, mainline magazine Christian Century, that comes to a completely different view than you. And see what my friend Bob Cornwall had to say back then:
http://pastorbobcornwall.blogspot.com/2008/03/reflections-on-preacher-and-candidate.html

In the end you’ve got nothing but unsubstantiated diatribe. Rather than discuss anything of substance or merit — health care, our economic crises, the future of energy use — you make bizarre claims that the names of a guy Obama once knew somehow make Obama a Marxist, while completely discounting his mainline capitalist education and working career. You do not cite anything Obama has done in his decade in public life, but instead claim that a preacher at his church somehow makes these actions inconsequential.

Your claims are not linked to the evidence you offer; the evidence you offer is often exactly wrong. Where it’s not exactly wrong, it’s far enough off the rails that we should pay it no heed.

If you really want to warn people against cults, you shouldn’t offer cultish beliefs and justifications as you do.

It’s usually good advice to follow to stick to the facts. In this case, you’d do well to come to the facts.
Ed Darrell says:

July 4, 2009 at 4:00 am

I missed a close quotes back there. Sorry.
itooktheredpill says:

July 21, 2010 at 12:34 am
itooktheredpill says:

March 19, 2012 at 2:21 pm

Martin Malia